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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnRJ View Post
    Well thank you for the definitions lol, I will remember to check them and use them in the correct context when "Incoming" isnt from arty and if "Danger Close" doesnt fall within the 600m bracket.
    Well I am indeed sorry if I offended you - but words have meanings, and when you use words out of context you convey an inaccurate meaning - and I will correct that inaccuracy when I can. We have a number of people here who have never served in combat - so when you use words inaccurately they may not know any better.

    My use of those terms were adopted hypothetically for this USAF training scenario.
    This was neither hypothetical nor a scenario. This was a real world release of inert training ammunition outside of a firing range - a deadly serious occurence, and therefore even more important that it be described accurately.
    If you used the thinking part of your brain instead of the part that is so concerned about the the right terminology then youd understand why I used the terms I did. Training rounds should be respected and used as if they were live rounds, its called preperation and the injection of responsibility.
    Ad hominem attack ignored, as it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. You are ignoring the evidence that there was no disrespect of training rounds - this was a case of an inadvertent release, pure and simple. If you have spent any time at all on rifle or pistol ranges, you have seen at least one inadvertent discharge. This does not change the responsibility for the one who fires the round - but if people on a rifle line have NDs, how much more likely is the same occurence to happen when you're simultaneously flying an aircraft, orienting yourself in three dimensions, and doing so in darkness???

    The rest of your post is fluff and drivel, and not worth addressing. I come here to debate intelligently and to help the new generation coming up, and arguing with you accomplishes neither. Also, if you would correct my use of caps for emphasis, perhaps you should first correct your own wrong grammar - it is properly 'would have' and not your own erroneous 'would of'. Lastly, please do not address me as 'Staff', as that is neither my rank nor position. Good evening, Sir!
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    I'm socialising in my spare time. Is there a law against that?......I can honestly say that everything I say here I would gladly say to your face....I seriously doubt that to be true of others on here..Who hide behind a uniform and use their status as a means of abuse......You for instance have a bad tendency to talk down at people. In the real world we talk to each other in a civil manner. This has nothing to do with a uniform, its just common decency. All I have, as with everybody else on here is an opinion. I don't lecture and I certainly don't think I know everything. But I'm not going to say nothing when you are belittling a fellow member and don't deny you weren't because you were!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    Well I am indeed sorry if I offended you - but words have meanings, and when you use words out of context you convey an inaccurate meaning - and I will correct that inaccuracy when I can. We have a number of people here who have never served in combat - so when you use words inaccurately they may not know any better.
    No youre not, and you didnt offended me... so you can save your self righteous nonsense of an apology, it doesn't wash with me.... I dont need it, nor do I want it. I wasnt responding to people who had never served in combat, my response was to you. You found it necessary to pull out the dictionary and nitpick because I made a valid point. You can mask your attitude with the guise of "I try and help future Soldiers" I see it as a useful tool for you to obtain self gratification. Gven your mentality and your attempt to be condescending to a fellow NCO I wouldnt want your obnoxious and snobby arse around any new recruit or around my section ( apart from the time needed). I will remember next time me and my lads get caught up in a firefight or an ambush the terms "Danger close" and "incoming" should not be used out of context and we should all be gathered so we can understand the correct usage. If you think combat units do not use those terms as a description you are so withdrawn its silly.



    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    This was neither hypothetical nor a scenario. This was a real world release of inert training ammunition outside of a firing range - a deadly serious occurence, and therefore even more important that it be described accurately.
    All training is set up as a scenario, a scenario that should be entered and treated as the 'real' thing. Well yes, it was the real world and a serious occurrence....and that was my original point, so Im glad you see that and we agree one thing, good lad, given that was my point anyway. Well done Sarge.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    Ad hominem attack ignored, as it has nothing to do with the subject at hand. You are ignoring the evidence that there was no disrespect of training rounds - this was a case of an inadvertent release, pure and simple. If you have spent any time at all on rifle or pistol ranges, you have seen at least one inadvertent discharge. This does not change the responsibility for the one who fires the round - but if people on a rifle line have NDs, how much more likely is the same occurence to happen when you're simultaneously flying an aircraft, orienting yourself in three dimensions, and doing so in darkness???
    No, dont ignore it. It a was genuine and honest remark that wasnt a backhanded poorly disguised dig from someone who doesnt find it clever using so called intellect to disguise their lack of balls to call a spade a spade( balls, you remember them?) Im not "ignoring" the fact of training rounds, come on....Im viewing them as live rounds and understanding the consequences.( my whole point from the get go)

    There you go again, this time youre questioning my time on "ranges" We get our times in and we deal with two way ranges..I wont call enemy fire incoming now though LOL.We know our drills and our standards in combat have proved that, we dont need a mickey mouse certifications to prove we can do our jobs while someone else can flick through a dictionary.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    The rest of your post is fluff and drivel, and not worth addressing. I come here to debate intelligently and to help the new generation coming up, and arguing with you accomplishes neither. Also, if you would correct my use of caps for emphasis, perhaps you should first correct your own wrong grammar - it is properly 'would have' and not your own erroneous 'would of'. Lastly, please do not address me as 'Staff', as that is neither my rank nor position. Good evening, Sir!
    Negative, you come here to try and flaunt your so called intelligence with arrogance and with a condescending manner. Luckily most people can spot your type a mile off and we can prepare ourselves for the torrent of horshite that comes with the personality type, we all roll our eyes until you jog on lol. No need to Sir me.....I work for a living. So skip along Dorothy, youre boring.Out.

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    Looks like a rational debate once again has descended into personal attacks, name calling, and questioning others' manhood - and that's a game I just don't play. Perhaps I will engage you two gentlemen in rational debate again on another topic. But then again, perhaps not. Good day, Gents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    Looks like a rational debate once again has descended into personal attacks, name calling, and questioning others' manhood - and that's a game I just don't play. Perhaps I will engage you two gentlemen in rational debate again on another topic. But then again, perhaps not. Good day, Gents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black taxi View Post
    You got this far in life, behaving like a five year old ..How does that work?
    AND you're done. Insulting a Senior Non-Commissioned Officer and a Moderator on this site will not be tolerated. Go find a new place to troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by papachop View Post
    AND you're done. Insulting a Senior Non-Commissioned Officer and a Moderator on this site will not be tolerated. Go find a new place to troll.

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    Assuming this topic is still about ground attack aircraft, I have a proposal for the A-10.

    How about equipping it for area denial with plenty of guns? It has the low speed (around 138mph stall), payload capacity, and armor to make it a perfect strafing gunship.

    I understand that it already has the GAU-8, which can strike very lethally from afar. But, I was thinking of retaining that, while having several, or many, rifle-caliber (up to .50) guns for strafing an area, leaving very few places where very skinny guy would have to stand in order to not be struck.

    For those times when you have an enemy that is not very visible, but in a general area, such as a section of jungle, and you would like to cover more of that area in support of ground troops with suppressive fire.

    It would not carry bombs or rockets, just guns. The smaller-caliber guns for troops, and the GAU-8 for anything harder, such as a bunkers or masonry structures.
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