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    The term "Ground attack aircraft" or "Schlachtflugzeug" was first used by the German airforce (Luftstreitkräfte) of WW1...with their development of the Junkers J1. Basically an armoured bath tub that protected the Crew and engine from ground fire with the added ability to accurately target trench emplacements due to its slow speed. Entering service in August 1917 in time for the German spring offensive of 1918, not one J1 was shot down.



    Crew: Two, pilot and observer
    Length: 9.1 m (29 ft 10 in)
    Wingspan: 16.00 m (52 ft 6 in)
    Height: 3.4 m (11 ft 2 in)
    Wing area: 49.4 m² (531 ft²)
    Empty weight: 1,766 kg (3,893 lb)
    Gross weight: 2,140 kg (4,718 lb)
    Powerplant: 1 × Benz Bz.IV, 149 kW (200 hp)

    Performance
    Maximum speed: 155 km/h (97 mph)
    Range: 310 km (193 miles)
    Service ceiling: 4,000 m (13,123 ft)
    Armament
    1 × trainable, rearward-firing 7.92 mm (.312 in) Parabellum MG14 machine gun[8

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    Interesting... but with only a single MG, and one facing rearward at that, i have to wonder if these were at all effective in combat.
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    How can it even be considered a "Ground Attack Aircraft" with almost zero ability to hit ground targets? The angle that the pilot mush have had to come in at for the rear facing machine gun to be effective against trenches? More of scare machine then an effective aircraft in combat....thats what Id say.

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    Dive then climb, giving the gunner an excellent radius of fire.......Improvisation gentlemen!...We all need a reminder of how things have changed......

    During the same war we had Zepplins bombing London ..the delivery method basically consisted of a man dropping individual bombs by hand. each one about the size of a sack of flour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefwarrantofficer View Post
    I am on the battle of the bulge staff ride in Belgium and understanding and learning from military history is truly team building. I will be responding by IPod the next couple of days lol
    LOL......can't wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black taxi View Post
    Dive then climb, giving the gunner an excellent radius of fire.......Improvisation gentlemen!...We all need a reminder of how things have changed......

    During the same war we had Zepplins bombing London ..the delivery method basically consisted of a man dropping individual bombs by hand. each one about the size of a sack of flour.
    How about you add a loop the loop in there as well mate?.....Improvisation is what it would have took without question. Even with diving and climbing its effectiveness would be piss poor at best, fear factor would have been its best weapon in those days. Given the conditions in the trenches and the many things lads would have suffered including things like shell shock, mustard gas... and the diseases that the environment caused. I'd say morale would have been pretty low....last thing youd want is those things trying to strafe you.

    Aviation was still pretty new at that time....10/10 for effort and ingenuity, but their ability to really change the course of anything on a tactical basics was next to nothing. Gotta hand it to those of that generation in that area....they got the ball rolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnRJ View Post
    How about you add a loop the loop in there as well mate?.....Improvisation is what it would have took without question. Even with diving and climbing its effectiveness would be piss poor at best, fear factor would have been its best weapon in those days. Given the conditions in the trenches and the many things lads would have suffered including things like shell shock, mustard gas... and the diseases that the environment caused. I'd say morale would have been pretty low....last thing youd want is those things trying to strafe you.

    Aviation was still pretty new at that time....10/10 for effort and ingenuity, but their ability to really change the course of anything on a tactical basics was next to nothing. Gotta hand it to those of that generation in that area....they got the ball rolling.

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    Clearly non of your ancestors were rear gunners (LOL) in the Luftstreitkräfte...The J1 flew through the spring air like a furniture van on steroids. It was a "WW1 wonder" and in many ways it could be said comparable to todays Dyson vacuum cleaner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black taxi View Post
    Clearly non of your ancestors were rear gunners (LOL) in the Luftstreitkräfte...The J1 flew through the spring air like a furniture van on steroids. It was a "WW1 wonder" and in many ways it could be said comparable to todays Dyson vacuum cleaner.
    I can honesty say mate, no they weren't.....and you are sounding like Jeremy Clarkson with that description. It was scare machine that would have been what it achieved.

    And comparing it to a vacuum cleaner doesn't really help its case for a brilliant weapon of war, unless you have an invasion of dust

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnRJ View Post
    I can honesty say mate, no they weren't.....and you are sounding like Jeremy Clarkson with that description. It was scare machine that would have been what it achieved.

    And comparing it to a vacuum cleaner doesn't really help its case for a brilliant weapon of war, unless you have an invasion of dust
    Well thats exactly what the German spring offensive of 1918 turned into ...an Invasion of dust....well said Jrj!

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