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cash
12-08-2009, 10:14 AM
it seems these days you damn near need to be a modle citizen to enlist.. i dont have a single violent crime or felony on my record but still not one branch of the armed forces says i dont qualify cause of my record even though its all been 5yrs ago an some of my cases have been expunged
just seems a little wrong that i am not allowed to serve my country cause i have to many misdemeanors..(seems alil unjust if you ask me) all have wanted to do since i was 10 was wear a uniform an serve my country even in time of need(9/11) they turned me down.

CWO Sharkey
12-08-2009, 10:27 AM
like somebody said on another forum. Watch what you may do because it might bite you in the butt in the future. Based on what you said, you couldnt be a cop and the standards are the same for the military.

daddytattooed
12-09-2009, 11:27 AM
while if thats what you've always wanted to do then you should have been prepared and looked up and followed the army core values. if you had there wouldnt be a problem. there are a lot of benifits one recieves from the service and a lot of other people will rely on you so they use the means available to make the best deciscions. yes, its been 5 years, but right now the army is overflowing with people who have no negative marks on their record of any kind and some with college education so from a business perspective if they only had one spot why would they give it to you over them?

sad fact, but keep hope they may start giving out waivors again eventually

CWO Sharkey
12-10-2009, 03:15 AM
Hopefully. These wars are not going to last forever and the economy will eventually get better. Normally, you will have up to 35 years old to join. So perhaps down the road, you will get your opportunity.

rjh1985
12-10-2009, 09:32 AM
It has been a dream since I was a young child to be in the military too. So I lived my life accordingly. I stayed out of trouble, made sure my actions aligned with the army values, educated myself ( eagle scout and bachelors degree) and made sure i was physically fit for service. Did I have problems enlisting. No not at all. But i worked hard at it and made sacrifices on my path to enlistment to ensure it would be a easy process. I would sure hope they would choose a candidate like me over someone with multiple law violation issues. It's fair and just in my mind.

Also that speaks a lot about someones character and I dont necessarily know if I would want that type of person covering my back in battle. Once trust is broken its broken.

rjh1985
12-10-2009, 09:34 AM
Remember serving your country in the military isn't a right you have as a citizen.

cash
12-10-2009, 01:22 PM
really!!!! because i have two duis and some other things on my record it means that iam not qualified to cover another brother in arms while in battle...your a retard first of all if your in the heat of battle an your thinkn of that shit... once that first bullet flys by your head all politics race and other crap goes right out the window... the problem wit enlisting sorry ass wimps like your self is that you dont know wat its like to have problems and deal with them.. i cant stand silver spoon fed people like yourselve all ways thinkn your better than every one else. your right its not my right to serve my country but if iam allowed to vote then i believe that means i should be allowed to fight for that vote just cause some one has no criminal history dont mean squat... just means they did not get caught...
your a dumb ass!!!!

rjh1985
12-10-2009, 06:53 PM
You are really just making it easier to see why the recruiters are staying away.

First off, getting in with one DUI is tough, but two. That is remote. It shows that even after the consequences you faced the first time you were fine doing it again. Which definitely goes against the army values of Respect and Integrity. If your so callous at following the law of the land, what happens if your in battle? In my mind not having respect for the rules or integrity to know what is right and wrong makes you more of a liability in war. If I can't trust you to follow the law how the hell can I trust that you have my back in war? I can't plain and simple.

Sorry ass wimp? Because I decided to have discipline? Live an honorable life? Work hard? be a good citizen? Not get behind the wheel of a car when I am drunk I think not. I have had my fair share of problems and I worked through them, thats a bullshit statement. I worked hard to get what I have and I did it on my own. No one gave me a silver spoon, I paid for my own college, i pushed my self to excel academically, I solved my own problems. I never said I was better than anyone. I just know that my actions have consequences down the road and have a respect for the rules.

Again i repeat being in the armed forces is not god given right. Just because you vote doesn't mean you allowed to enlist. The military takes who they want and says no thanks for those they don't.

Actually you are wrong there, convicted felons lose their right to vote for the rest of their life. Someone with a criminal history is in direct violation of the Army values all soldiers live by: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage.

Not everyone is out breaking the law. that's naive to think. I would dare say a majority of people have respect for the law. That is a very ignorant statement.

If anyone is the dumbass here it is clearly you. You did not think how your actions (which you and only you are responsible for) would come back and haunt you. You clearly cannot and refuse to see that the only person you can blame for your inability to enlist is yourself. The Army sees that the life you have lived does not align with what they look for currently right now in their soldiers. Nothing more you can do here but hope that down the road they reopen the waivers for criminal history and they take a chance on you.

In the meantime you should work on growing up a bit and taking responsibility for your actions.

cash
12-11-2009, 07:44 AM
ya well not every body that enlists is as well oiled as you boy...ur aloss cause never mind.your brainwashed

rjh1985
12-11-2009, 09:08 AM
HAHA...And what do you think the Army will expect from you? All I see is someone who more than likely can't find a job and was looking for a free handout from the military.You have a blatant respect for the traditions and value of the Army. Just from you posts I can tell your that kind of person that crys and complains when things don't go your way. Man up, you F*cked up, its your fault you cannot enlist, don't blame the army because you didn't have enough sense to not drive drunk twice and still have a blatant disregard of the law. It would be a sad day when I would have to call you a brother in arms and as of now I hope it never happens.

cash
12-11-2009, 09:43 AM
same to u:)

cash
12-13-2009, 11:11 AM
and all this is coming from the fat boy who cannot make tape at meps
just like your using the army to get in shape cause you cant find a job after college or more like mommy an dadddy not gonna let you move back home iam using the army to better my life and to stay outta trouble and make a better life for me and my family... you so rightoues you have not even served one day in the military so dont preach to me about core values and all this crap you prob gonna drop outta basic or get hurt cause your too fat...

rjh1985
12-13-2009, 12:12 PM
Haha, whatever floats your boat Cash. Yea the thing you failed to notice is i have gotten into shape, and I am confident i probably could get a better APFT score than you right now.

Basic is a experience I look forward to and will excel at. I look forward to the adventure and challenge. It cannot be harder physically than training with former marines and former marine drill instructors.

It still doesn't change the situation, the Army would rather invest in me than you. Plain and simple. I am in and you are not.

I chose the military because I wanted adventure, not because i had to.

Some people don't need the military to stay out of trouble.

You can say whatever you want. It doesn't bother me. I worked hard to get where I am and I was a success, i cannot say the same for you. :)

rjh1985
12-13-2009, 05:45 PM
oh and I took the APFT today and scored well above what is needed to graduate basic, and have a BMI well below the army standards, so take your fat boy comment and shove it.

fighter_nada_lover
12-13-2009, 07:07 PM
oh and I took the APFT today and scored well above what is needed to graduate basic, and have a BMI well below the army standards, so take your fat boy comment and shove it.

Fu(k yeah, Congrats Man! I'd rather have you in the Army alongside me then him anyday. And I am sure there are others that feel the same way.

cash
12-14-2009, 08:51 AM
well good job for you fat boy congrats and good luck...n for you lover...thats whats great about this country is that YOU dont get to make the great decision who you go to war with and not.. so you never know you the man next to you could be me or some one even worse and you will never know:)

Jim37F
07-11-2011, 05:50 PM
In my unit at least, a single DUI is an automatic field grade Article 15, and some face to face with the General. One DUI will literally end the career of an otherwise outstanding E7, and you want to join with 2 of them?? Expunged or not, you've still had multiple run ins with the law, and in your own words, several misdemeanors. If you can't respect the rules as a civilian, how on Earth do you expect to survive military life where there are far more rules?? Honestly, you sound more like a soldier who would constantly be in trouble with his chain of command, one who would probably get chaptered out fairly quickly, and until then, given the shit jobs, and kept away from the front lines where I want someone I can actually trust to cover my 6, not someone I have to keep half an eye out on

MPclk2006
07-11-2011, 06:12 PM
Really? an almost 2 year old thread revived?

Ballgame
07-11-2011, 10:01 PM
:p BUMP

MSG Glenn
07-12-2011, 06:03 AM
No problem. He was banned a long time ago because he couldn't spell "armed forces", LOL.

CWO Sharkey
07-12-2011, 06:18 AM
No problem. He was banned a long time ago because he couldn't spell "armed forces", LOL.


haha. I thought it was the advertisement to "american red" vets lol

MSG Glenn
07-12-2011, 08:24 AM
haha. I thought it was the advertisement to "american red" vets lolThat, too, Chief, LOL.