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torspo[fin]
06-22-2010, 12:54 PM
Here it is my intention to collect some vids and perhaps some data about the Soviet/Russian gear in
service with Finnish armed forces.. and any other coutry if someone cares to tribute to this thread..
The conversation is free but keep the flame in control please.
This is an American forum but keep the unnecessary obvious propaganda to your self please..
this is about the machines of war them selves.
If you have a point about something.. please be brief and to the point.

One thing especially: Do not draw conclutions about former Iraq gear
and mirror them to real Eastern block arsenal.. without a good point.

The Iraq held ex-soviet gear was mostly constructed on site and often with bad results.

well then.. lets get started.

torspo[fin]
06-22-2010, 01:02 PM
BMP (Boyevaya Mashina Pekhoty).. quite interesting piece of gear, and we Finns still use the #2 variant.

have a vid from the FDF military training (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pegKN0RbCPc). (and sh** hahah too much armstrong and miller)

Grunt Medic TXARNG
06-22-2010, 01:17 PM
I remember seeing the BMPs the Russian Airborne patrolled with in Bosnia - the tracks on those looked so tiny compared to those on our tracked vehicles!

torspo[fin]
06-22-2010, 01:58 PM
I remember seeing the BMPs the Russian Airborne patrolled with in Bosnia - the tracks on those looked so tiny compared to those on our tracked vehicles!

yep... thats because they are...

thease are the things with the soviet gear which contribute to the certain doctrine..

anotherwords: Its cheaper.

torspo[fin]
06-22-2010, 02:27 PM
anyhows... the BMP-2 is quite capable for its cost.

lets see.. what else do we have in our inventory which is from the former Soviet Union..

hmh.. well BUK-m1 would be the obvious.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cSxjiLzyxE)


anyhows... have a wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_m1)

Exo1
06-23-2010, 09:49 AM
The best gear the Russians ever made was the AK assault rife and the RPG range.... its the only mass produced weaponry in my opinion thats stood the test of time... brilliantly simple!!... They did too good a job at making them idiot proof!!... and damn, talking about minimum maintance, maximum reliability...

Grunt Medic TXARNG
06-23-2010, 01:10 PM
Their armor was entirely adequate when it was designed, as well - not their fault the U.S. kept pushing the R&D forward with multiple generations of the M1 Abrams. As Torspo points out, their SAM technology was and is entirely adequate - remember, we even lost an F-117 stealth aircraft to it in the war for Kosovo to an SA-3. And Soviet small arms, while somewhat crude, are thoroughly effective and perfectly suited to their conscript forces and doctrine - the AK series of assault rifles, SVD and SVU sniper rifles, RPD, RPK and PK series of machine guns, and the ubiquitous RPG family of grenade launchers are all dependable, tough, proven designs. Anyone who dismisses Soviet designed arms out of hand is doing themselves a serious disservice.

torspo[fin]
06-24-2010, 04:42 PM
Their armor was entirely adequate when it was designed, as well - not their fault the U.S. kept pushing the R&D forward with multiple generations of the M1 Abrams. As Torspo points out, their SAM technology was and is entirely adequate - remember, we even lost an F-117 stealth aircraft to it in the war for Kosovo to an SA-3. And Soviet small arms, while somewhat crude, are thoroughly effective and perfectly suited to their conscript forces and doctrine - the AK series of assault rifles, SVD and SVU sniper rifles, RPD, RPK and PK series of machine guns, and the ubiquitous RPG family of grenade launchers are all dependable, tough, proven designs. Anyone who dismisses Soviet designed arms out of hand is doing themselves a serious disservice.

Indeed. The Buk m1s (or SA-11 Gadflys) in our inventory is now being withdrown from active training cycles and official rediness and are probably replaced with the NASAMS bough from Norway. We got the Buk M1s from the Russia as compensation for their soviet time debt .
The Gadfly system is quite nice.. it can target practicly anything if the target is pointed by secodary aimer/ radar(yes. it can target tanks or naval vehicles). the main capability here in Finland was the uncanny ability to target cruise missiles....
we were the first ones to sing and propose the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.. so for country such as ours its very neccisery to have the defensive edge.
This time it came from the soviet arsenal.

In the reacent south ossetian war it was Ukranian Buk M1 which the Georgian's had bough, which shot down almost all the Russian lost planes and jets. Including Tupolev Tu-22 and 3 SU-25s.

This capability is something we obviously want to keep around so i guess the existing Finnish "Gadflys" are stored away in some deep FDF installation like many weaponsystems of the past unless some treaty we have made prohibits it.
as a side note:
I wouldn't consider F-177 a Stealth plane anymore since most nations can detect it without too much trouble. and frankly.. as costly as it is the most technologyminded nations can detect F22 without too much hassle.. its just about the money and the need to do it.
A British SAM system tracked a B-2 long enough for a aduqate shotdown probability. (this was not predicted within nato as i have heared it).

Bmp-2 was an awesome machine back in the day.. as far as 80's the Bmp was well beyand par or over the western counterpart. would any commander in he's/her's clear mind put anything US "equal" against BMP-1 in 70's? Bradleys weren't around back then and the
ACP's lacked both, armor and firepower.

Nowadays its basicly just rusting buket of bolts for sure.. but its still cabaple in some certain roles... and its there untill we replace em with the CV9030Fins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU49RfB98y8)...

anyhows... what would be next.. the AK's and that jazz is kinda self explanetory...

Exo1
06-25-2010, 10:31 AM
Their armor was entirely adequate when it was designed, as well - not their fault the U.S. kept pushing the R&D forward with multiple generations of the M1 Abrams. As Torspo points out, their SAM technology was and is entirely adequate - remember, we even lost an F-117 stealth aircraft to it in the war for Kosovo to an SA-3. And Soviet small arms, while somewhat crude, are thoroughly effective and perfectly suited to their conscript forces and doctrine - the AK series of assault rifles, SVD and SVU sniper rifles, RPD, RPK and PK series of machine guns, and the ubiquitous RPG family of grenade launchers are all dependable, tough, proven designs. Anyone who dismisses Soviet designed arms out of hand is doing themselves a serious disservice.

Good catch on the AA Rockets... the Russians got the talented rocket scientists after thundering through Nazi Germany at the end of WW2 and started a culture of advanced military grade rocket design and manufacture.... Have to partly agree on the Tanks... the T34 for me was the best and most advanced success story of the Russian tank genre, the deflective armour is only rivalled by the Tiger Tanks of the day and the T34 other features like wide tracks, mass produced, etc outclassed the tiger in so many ways... and certainly outclassed the Sherman tank... However the Russian armour did fall in my opinion and modern armour is outclassed by British and American armour.....

On the rife genre such as the AK series and the draganov type genre, they can only be complimented on fine design... and reliability that is hard to rival...