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    Better to try and find out your not cut for the Regiment,than not trying and not knowing if you ever were I guess.Another thing I need to work on or learn how to do is land nav.I hear alot of RASP candidates get eaten on those...eaten as in score low on the land nav tests and land nav is something I know I'll have to master before going to RS.Luckily since I'm going back to Korea,next week to finish school I have one more shot to learn how to land nav,and get back into conditioning for Special Operations training.I hadn't mentioned it yet,but Thanks Sergeant!All your advice has been helpful.

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    Land Nav is always a good thing to know. It might not be a bad idea to get proficient in it but you'll probably learn as much as you'll need in Infantry OSUT. Then again what you already know will make Infantry School a refresher course.

    Learn Land Nav the Army way. It's a bit different than the civilian version. If you can get a Field Manual (FM) or Training Manual (TM) & a military protractor, some military maps & compass you should have all you need & you should know your pace count in meters. Better yet - learn it from someone who has been there. That's always best. You can't ask a book any questions or be coached & tested by one..

    When you go to any NCO course Land Nav will probably be one of the things you'll be tested on.
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    I am hoping my instructor could also teach me land nav...the Army way,but can't guarantee it.We're still out for break but he told me he was coming back to Korea in July,I rode by the school today after my pt indoc.Didn't see him but I'll wait,and ask him another time.Speaking of PT indoc,I did a test run just to see how my cardio and endurance training improved.I didn't meet the 5 mile standard today,but the four miles were done under 30 minutes(25-26).I'd say its good especially for testing yourself from taking a year off from of the runs.
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    Your official PT test consists of 2 minutes of push ups, 2 minutes of sit ups & a 2 mile run done one after the other. The amount of PUs & SUs & the time for the run depends on your age group.

    The most important thing about conditioning is don't injure yourself. . You'll reach plateaus where no matter how hard you try you won't see any improvement.
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    The official Army pt test is cake for me.Its the Ranger PT test,I'm conditioning for though I'm pretty sure jumping rope has prepared me for that distance.Sure I went through the four miles after a year of no running,but I could've went further since my endurance was boosted.Just didn't have the drive,or right stomach for it but I'll get it down.Hopefully tomorrow if its not showering hard like today,I can get back out there and shoot out for a 5-6 miler,then follow some pushups,pullups,and situps.Just to see how I perform.As for injury the only thing I really have gotten was shin splints,but after putting up my nikes and getting NBs haven't had a good run like that in 2 years.Yep I put alot of mileage and impact on those poor nikes,I knew if I hadn't replaced them or find new soles I'd be getting injured frequently.

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    Like I said before - don't overdo it. Being even a little rusty in a certain phase of PT & forcing yourself to do what you previously did can lead to an injury. One of the guys I knew did exactly that, injured himself so bad that he was disqualified for military service of any kind, any branch.

    If something like that happened while you were on duty under supervision of an NCO or under orders to do so you'd at least get a medical retirement out of it. It used to happen a lot when the PT test was administered in combat boots. Lots of foot injuries & shin splints. Some were permanent injuries.

    When I was in UDT training I had broken a small bone in my foot. One of the instructors noticed I had a slight limp even though I was trying my best to hide it because we were close to the end & graduation. Fortunate for me that he excused me from all other training & ordered me to the medics. In effect I had finished the course successfully. If he didn't like me because I was a slacker (the cardinal sin for a Navy frogman/SEAL) I would have been dropped from the course as a failure & probably not recycled. Like the Rangers there were no rules as to how many had to graduate. If the whole class was failed then oh, well. The standards were all that mattered & if you didn't meet the standard then you failed regardless how many men were needed on the teams.
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    I'll take your word for it,but I'm just trying to see what more I can endure before my body tells me to slow down.Because my body will tell me to slow down,even if it means not performing as good as I usually do due to oncoming overtrain.I wouldn't want hurt to myself or have rough injuries before I try out for OSUT,RASP,RS,etc.I plan to train hard,but keep myself injury free especially since I have to go to jump school.From what I'm the jumps really screw with your body after awhile.My idea is to continue finding a way to deal with some pain and discomfort,but be on the look out for injury and overuse.I also have to find better ways to take care of my body aside resting,to get the best of recovery.

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    I used to brag that after 27 years in the Military - 25 of them on Airborne duty, my knees were in great shape. I spoke too soon. This year my right knee is really giving me trouble. The first thing my doc said was "Paratrooper's knee". I can't remember ever hurting myself when hitting the ground but just by making a parachute landing fall is pain enough. Not so much as to have discouraged me from ever doing it again but I'm sure it's the cumulative affect.
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    Its just because I met&know vets from the 75th,82nd,SF,and NSW ranted about how many issues they have had with their knees,feet,back,overall the body itself from jumping out of planes.It sorta worried me at first,but I'm only going to airborne school if I can get an Opt 40 contract.In fact thats really the only reason I'd go under 11x-ray to be an Infantryman in the only Light Special Operations Infantry unit of USASOC,though the 75th is JSOC.All I know is that I will be doing jumps frequently,with heavier gear than what I'd be given in RASP.Most likely the jumps will catch up with me as I start to age or break down.

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    So far me son doesn't have any trouble with knees or anything else. He took a few hard PLFs with a full combat load in his day. When you start aging it's hard to figure if the aches & pains are from something that happened years ago or just a result of the aging process.

    I know my back is service connected & my teeth. That's a sore point with me. I took a piece of shrapnel in the corner of my mouth & it cracked & chipped some teeth. The Navy fixed me up just fine but told me that this was just a temporary fix. When I left the Navy they said that the fix was still fine. When i joined the Army I was told all was good & wait until they start cracking again. After I retired I started losing pieces of my teeth & went to the VA but they had no record of me ever being wounded in action. My dentist told me it would cost about $6000 plus implants for the missing teeth. I can't afford it so it looks like I'll check out of this world a toothless wonder, lol.
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