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    Grandson passed into his senior year. He was invited to take some college courses for credit next year which means he'll have to do some reading this summer. He's thinking that one over, LOL. He makes good money caddying so he'll have to weigh doing school work versus working at the country club. Since he makes $90 for carrying two bags for 18 holes with a chance on going out for 9 holes more each day for $45 except Mondays when there's no golfing he'll have to decide on his own whether he thinks there'll be enough time. That being closed Mondays isn't always the case because they usually have tournaments starting that day. Then he even makes more for 18 holes. If the golfers do good it's nothing unusual to get a $100 tip. It also means he's guaranteed to go out because they have to sign up in advance. He was all bummed out that the course was closed today because they were open yesterday, Memorial Day. He was able to do 27 holes yesterday & because of the holiday he gets a whole $1 more per bag each time he goes out, 18 holes or 9. My younger grandson, 13, skipped caddying yesterday because his dad was supposed to pick him up but it never happened. He wasn't too upset about it because he still isn't used to it & he was tired from Saturday & Sunday. He gets out of school on June 9th from eighth grade. He has all summer to caddy.

    Had a nice cookout yesterday, yours truly on the grill. Hamburgers, brats & hot dogs. Kept my mind off of my fallen buddies. I didn't sleep too well Sunday night thinking about them. Not that I don't think about them all other times. My son was over & his wife said he also had a sleepless night. We agree that our departed team mates would be pissed off at us if they knew that. I think they were perfectly happy to go that way if dying was necessary. Rather that than dying in bed at an old age with alzheimers not knowing anything & drooling & filling your pants all the time. Something I'm definitely not looking forward to.
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    I've actually started using that as a way to accept death(When you mentioned you think they were fine dying if necessary,rather die an old age of alzheimers.).Because I've been trying to tell myself if I'm going to die young,so be it,but it'd better be for something that matters.In the case of being in the Military,that is an exception I can make since you make a sacrifice once take the oath.

    Its part of how warriors are made,alongside with suffering&hardship.So when things hit the fan there is no single weak link in a firefight...although the Military has had alot of guys freeze in the field or in a firefight.On his 2nd tour to Iraq,my father knew a medic who had good education and was good at his job.But once the bullets flew in his&11B's direction,that guy froze.
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    The Army (as well as other branches) train hard to minimize freezing. It all starts with marching & close order drill. To get to the point of reacting to a situation without having to think about it frees your mind from worrying about your mortality. Same goes for obeying orders instantly without too much thought other than how you're going to obey them which because of the intense training comes instinctively. A case in point with Special Operations & other elite units is the fact that they'll usually take fewer casualties in a firefight. They have more training. When each of them is trained to be a leader regardless of rank it makes for an efficient fighting force with no gaps when leaders fall.
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    Sweat more in training,bleed less in battle.The Frontline,and SOF units do alot of training on tactics.The thing I learned about it is,they don't just train till they can get it right.They train to where they can never get it wrong.Although as human beings we'll all make mistakes.But like you said all the drilling&training done in those units can be exhausting and time consuming.

    But reason its done,is because once things actually do hit the fan,everyone will know what to do and be able to apply what they have been trained to do to the actual test.Because as said,there are no breaks or pauses in combat.Its either all or nothing.

    (Been busy with the old man visiting to see my graduation.Touring him around and taking places he has been when he was stationed here in Korea.So might be MIA for some more days.)
    Congrats to your grandson!

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    Tell Dad hi & thank him for his service for me.

    Grandkids are caddying a golf tournament yesterday & today. The day started off at normal temps but went into the low 90s by late morning with high humidity. Today is no different. I was sitting outside most of the morning listening to my shortwave receiver.

    Not much exciting going on with the airwaves. The bands are pretty spotty going up & down. Since I have an advanced class ham radio license I should really get a transceiver & get on the air again but when you start talking about an average station costing several thousand dollars it just won't happen. I don't have much room for antennas anyhow. In the old days I had 550 watts, a 3 band directional antenna with a rotator attached to my chimney at about 35' & it did a fairly good job on DX (hamspeak for distant stations) & worked all 50 states & over 100 different countries, mostly voice with a little CW (Morse code) thrown in. That ham license got me an additional MOS & promotion boards like a multi-MOS Senior NCO. Back then I envisioned myself with a top notch station & sitting in the radio shack all day & most of the night when I wasn't sitting in a boat fishing after total retirement, LOL. Back then my Military retirement check would have allowed that without any problem. More so with a part time job. Radio transceiver - $1500 - $2000. Amplifier to get to the maximum legal transmit power - $1000 - $2000. A good antenna - about $500. Rotator, antenna cable & mounting hardware - $600. Then there would be various wire antennas for the lower frequencies, microphone & computer programs to be "modern". Like any hobby there is no end to cash outlays & about the time the station is up & running it's obsolete.

    Have fun with your dad. I sure wish mine was still around.
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    I told him,you said hi...his faced cringed for a second,till I told him you've been helping me out lol.But I cherish each day we spent,though he left yesterday.He tried doing what I do for PT...he only jumped the rope for two minutes and stop,and told me his arms were sore from my warmup.Man hes getting old,but someday we all do lol.

    That 3 band directional antenna must've been a cool gadget to have back in the day.But with all that money,you could've bought the two crotch rockets(Sportbikes),I considered getting later in the future.
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    Understand the reserved PC. I've tried using one at the library several times. 10 computers & finally get on after a 15 minute wait, read my email & the librarian is asking if I'm almost done, LOL.

    Living in Milwaukee, the home of Harley I wouldn't even think of getting a foreign crotch rocket. Used to ride BMWs that we could rent near the Navy base in Key West. I forget what it cost but it was reasonable enough. We'd go up the Keys & have a ball exploring. Once we found a deserted beach & we thought we'd do a little swimming until we saw the reason it was deserted - it was full of jellyfish, LOL. Then we found another small one off of No Name Key. There were dolphins swimming around after we were in the water a short while. They were very friendly & we remembered that we each got a free beach ball from filling up the bikes at a gas station. We blew a few up & started playing with the dolphins, When we left we left the balls behind & we saw the dolphins still knocking them around. I often wondered how long they played with them after we left but they sure liked them. Then once we hit Rattlesnake Key & found out why it was named that. Back in the 1930s there was a hotel with a reptile & snake zoo. A hurricane hit & destroyed everything. The rattlesnakes survived & their descendants still lived & reproduced there. We all had .22 pistols & when we were walking on what was left of the road we could hear their tails rattle so we kept the guns at the ready. Didn't see any but sure heard a lot. There were some other people walking around & when they saw we were armed they stuck real close to us, LOL. They were told that they shouldn't walk close to the edge near the trees & brush next to the road. We figured that out all on our own. Good times & a good way to get as far away from the daily grind as we could. Shortly after that I went to Underwater Swimmer School also at Key West & on the Little Creek, VA for UDT training. The only time I got back was during the Cuban Bay of Pigs invasion was about to take place & was too occupied to get any time off, LOL. The luck of the draw saw me on my old submarine which we used as diving platform to check for underwater obstructions off of the Bay of Pigs. Most of my close buddies had already moved on to other assignments or got out of the Navy. I even got to work in my old engine room & it all came back to me like I never left. The engineering Officer even tried to recruit me back, LOL. They were always short of Enginemen. It was tempting but as I found out it would have been impossible. I was in a job with a greater priority than subs. Unknown to all but a few in UDT was the upcoming formation of SEAL Teams. They'd use UDT Frogmen as their base of first SEALs & when we got back from this assignment we went to Army Jump School. We all were thinking WTF?, LOL. Then came some land warfare courses & by that time we had figured it out.

    Back from Memory Lane. As you can probably deduce those memories are never very far from me even with 21 years in the Army after that. I may not remember what I had for breakfast but those I can remember like it was yesterday. Every time I feel a storm coming because of an ache or pain here or there I can tell you with a good degree of accuracy where it originally started, usually from training mishaps that are designed to happen to us to see if we can still function efficiently.
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    Over the course of these days I've been out,I actually have been considering getting one when I get back.Assuming I don't buy a car,instead buy the old mans pickup(06 Titan),and can have a crotch rocket on the side for a weekend toy.Don't worry I won't be a dummy and try to gun it,everytime I see a sports car or another bike on the road lol.

    Lately,or atleast since after I graduation,I still am considering 11x,but have actually considered 11x/opt 4(Not 40,just 4).I still opt 40 in mind.However if I choose opt 4,I plan to test out for EIB,and if I am in long enough or plan on staying in the service,I will see if I can get on the list to go to RS.Although being tabbed only makes you Ranger qualified.Spec Ops is still in mind,but I'm not sure if I'm ready to sacrifice.Not my life,but things you may have to sacrifice if you make it into a SOF unit.As of right now aside getting my reviewing on throughout the week,I have been battling hard with Active&ARNG.I want some time doing the Hooah stuff,but at the same time I want to have time to work on other skills and do things that could help me when I get out.In fact I actually have been getting interested and working on my story&script more often,now that I have the time to.But also because I'd like to see what critics or the people behind making these stories into tv shows or movies.

    Back from Memory Lane...thats some interesting stuff you posted,sorta wish I could've seen those snakes&reptiles survive,so I could do the same in case I'm in a hurricane...loljk
    (Gotta go back out)

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    Just before I left the Submarine Service for Divers School we had one heck of a hurricane in Key West. We were going to head out to sea but we were in port for some equipment repairs which weren't quite finished yet so we just submerged at the pier. Even so we had a rough ride. When we surfaced we were amazed at the destruction. All the USN ships had to run our desalination units to supply fresh water to the town. The water lines from the mainland were wiped out along with many of the bridges connecting the Keys. All the guys who had wives & families living at Base Housing or in town were granted immediate liberty to check on their family & home. Before the storm hit all hands were busy filling sandbags. It seemed they were used efficiently.

    A few months later while I was waiting for School my sub went to sea for a long cruise. Those of us going to school were placed on the Submarine Tender, the surface ship that supported Sub Squadron 12 & the HQ of the squadron. Another storm was coming so we went to sea but not before we filled sandbags again, LOL. We had plenty of notice so we got far from the storm but not so far to avoid the affects of the rough seas. That was the first surface ship I was at sea on. I didn't care for it much, LOL.

    By that time I had my fill of hurricanes, LOL.

    You have to make your own decision as to what you want to do in the Army. I can still suggest Airborne School & Ranger School down the line. Jump wings & a tab will give you promotion points for both the badges & the schools themselves. EIB testing is also a good idea because the EIB also has promotion points but as I recall not as much as the CIB. Once you get the CIB you won't be wearing the EIB anymore but it'll still be in your record.

    I've been spending a lot less time online the last week or so. The weather has been ungodly hot & I've still been in the basement on the computer instead of much outside stuff but I just sort of have been taking a break from the web. The few time I was on I went to a couple of my gun sites.
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    Hadn't been around on forums for a minute,but I have some dedicated free time right now.While I was out I've been giving what I've had in mind in doing in the Army,still the same stuff.However after taking a 50 question test on Auto&Shop,I didn't exactly get where I wanted to be.But I guess after taking some time to study,I did satisfactory.I got 33 out of 50 of those question correct.

    In the past,I didn't do as well in A&S.But because I was always a car enthusiast,I decided to dedicate time to learn about vehicles and how the parts all work together in order for it to function.Doing so,I was going through the Auto questions like butter.Shop,I still struggle with but I'm getting better.Haven't touched on my other weak areas on this new site just yet,but today or right now.I'm about to start Paragraph Comprehension,I think I found what my problem was there...Since the ASVAB is timed,and we had a good amount of questions that would normally take more time for me to answer,I skimmed and rushed.However this time or some time ago,when I was doing PC,I tried to do it quick but at the same time I slowed down some to understand what the problem is asking for.Doing that helped me out,but now I'll see how far it'll help me on this 50 question PC section.

    Next week,I plan to start focusing and getting help on arithimetic&math.Lot of is stuff I've seen before,just not well memorized...except for the stuff I use on a daily basis lol.

    Hopefully you and your family enjoyed the fourth...assuming it didn't rain,like I did over here lol.

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