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    Studying is always good & of course it's always good to improve scores in anything you do.

    I haven't been too active online myself. I finally checked my email the other day & I had a bunch, not exactly junk mail but mostly just notifications of activity on the websites I frequent. I got many emails from friends on a gun site I'm on. It seems the site was sold & it was sold to a Canadian company. Canada has very restrictive gun control for its citizens so many have gotten off in protest. The original owner (2 owners since) has started a new site & I was alerted to that. It's like the original site with most of the same guys.

    My son is away at Camp Ripley, Minnesota for a Senior NCO school. I forget what it's called now but it used to be ANCOC. At least he's safer than he'd be here. Yesterday morning we had a cop that got ambushed & shot in his vehicle. He'll be okay but required hospitalization. It was on the far other side of town & out of my son's patrol area. Since he's a bicycle patrol officer he can be very ripe for a sniper-like attack. I don't know when all this cop killing will stop. Probably when it's winter. There have reluctant movements by police to just stay out of "trouble" areas which is hard on the good residents that are there but if they don't get more support from their governments they'll have to do something to survive. We have a very liberal mayor who refuses to start another Police Academy class because he wants to build a 2 1/2 mile trolley line downtown & there's not enough money to do both. The Chief of Police is his puppet so obviously there isn't much he's good for. He's finally starting to talk tough but it's still all talk. Our county Sheriff, Sheriff David Clarke, is a real hard guy & appears on national news channels a lot. That is of no use for city cops, though. He volunteered to send his Deputies to augment our PD but it fell on deaf ears. He doesn't get along with the Chief who has a totally different view on policing. The world is falling apart right before our eyes. We've become a third world country. They keep talking about gun control but the existing laws that are broken & the perp caught & jailed only finds him back on the street in less than a day. Many are young teenagers with several gun violations & still walking the streets. The same thing has been happening with drug dealers who are caught & released almost immediately. Pot is still illegal in this state but most cops won't even give out tickets let alone make an arrest of dealers because before they finish the paperwork they dealer is back on the street again. My son has advised me again to never go unarmed & always carry a spare magazine & always keep a round chambered. I would do that regardless.

    Rant over.

    We're going through another hot & humid spell. By the way, I didn't go to the fireworks on the 4th this year. Somehow I hurt my foot & I had trouble walking & the park we normally go to watch them requires a pretty long walk from the car to the park. The foot is getting better & my knees have been quiet lately so I want to get out & walk a lot again. I saw my doc a week ago for a regular visit & I already gained a pound. I have to start eating less & walking more.
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    Best of luck to your son at Senior NCO school.

    Didn't do as well as I was expecting to do on Paragraph Comprehension,guess I just have be extra careful on answers I choose,since alot of the questions have answers really close together.But nonetheless I failed Paragraph Comprehension,and now I'm failing Arithmetic badly...not giving up though,spite how brainscrewing Arithmetic Reasoning is.Almost makes me wonder if what they ask for makes any sense,or are they just targeting me loljk.But I'll keep at it,just need to find a person to tutor and review with me.Think I know someone who can,but not sure just yet.I do know if I can do satisfactory in Arithmetic,Math,and Vocab I see the light of passing.

    Meanwhile I'm just going to try to keep my motivation for both Ranger and Infantry...seeing that I plan to be one of the two.But I also plan to start taking one day out of the week to get more educated on repairing,upgrading,and some engineering on vehicles...Might possibly be something to fall back on whenever I leave the service as 11B or Ranger.Or if for somewhat reason I cannot join.Thought of being in Law Enforcement,but I'd use that as a last resort.

    Good to hear your feet,and knees are giving you a break lol.
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    All you can do is study or arrange for a tutor to help. I guess I was blessed with good grades in English & math but I had a scare when I almost flunked semester one of algebra in my freshman year. I just couldn't understand it. A few of my old buddies had the same problem & they were very bright. We had a change in teachers & then almost an A average. The only trouble from that point on was my confidence in anything in mathematics. To this day I wish I would have taken trig & calculus but I had taken electronics shop instead (the only shop class I ever took) & had no room on my schedule. I learned to read at a very early age due to my older cousin bringing me his comic books. I loved Donald Duck & his gang, Superman, Batman, etc. I could sound out most words but some of the typical English words that weren't spelled the way they sounded plagued me for years, LOL. Mom would make corrections but I seldom read aloud & since I didn't know I was pronouncing them wrong in my head I had no way of knowing.

    My son is staying at school for an additional 2 weeks. They decided to offer phase 2 if the guys could get orders. He had to jump through hoops to contact his unit 1SG & the 1SG had to jump through hoops to find the funding but it all worked out. The whole class minus 3 are staying. That gives them a year's jump because the next time it was scheduled was next year about this same time. It's a requirement in order to be promoted to SFC & I also MSG. The next promotion board meets sometime in early fall so it's just in time. He has a couple of Rangers in his class & they're making sure everyone passes by coaching & overall helping the ones that are shaky on some subjects especially leadership beyond their actual rank & field work. My son was placed in Platoon Leader slot as a PFC in Ranger School with higher ranking soldiers including Officers & Senior NCOs under him. They all rotate through most of the leadership positions regardless of l rank. Nobody wears rank insignia in RS anyhow.

    Another Police shooting in Milwaukee. The Officer was shot 3 times while sitting in his vehicle. The body armor stopped all but one in the arm. He'll be okay & was released from the hospital yesterday with his right arm in a cast & sling. The shooter committed suicide. That'll save the taxpayers a bundle. I worry about my son & his crew on bikes as does his wife. She came over yesterday after work because she & my wife share 20 April as their birthday. She's worried but not to excess. Both her & my son are religious & know what waits for them after death & also the power of prayer.

    A couple of hot, hot days ahead for us with temps well into the 90s & the heat index is expected to 110.

    Sorry to be so wordy but I actually have time to use the computer for my own use. No assignments from the Agency but since I'm planning to stay in the air conditioned house for the next few days I might look over some old unfinished jobs. Then again I might not.
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    No worries about the wordiness...I often find myself doing that with people I'm comfty around myself.I remember my father showed me a paper when he was trying to go for SFC,but unfortunately didn't have enough points for it so he remained SSG.

    In school,I wasn't an AP student,but I did fairly well in Language Arts,and I guess you can say history(Reading history).If something intrigues me in a way to benefit me in the future with what I want to do I'll soak up as much information I can.However on Paragraph Comprehension my views were different,although all I really have to do is read,but understand what its saying and what its asking for.If I can do that,I'm surely guaranteed to do a better job.I've done it before on test retakes,and pulled through.

    You said a 110?D**n,sure is quite warm for a state up in the north.Then again its summer,and the weather can get crazy.Sometimes hotter than usual,very few times or rarely cool or cold...atleast from my experiences here and in Missouri.
    (Going to be out for some time,but will return.)

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    Okay, Roger. Take your time answering. You're on summer break so don't tie yourself to a computer.

    Yep. 110 heat index - a combination of actual temp, sunshine & humidity (or more accurately the dewpoint). We had a few days where the highs were in the low 70s & we could actually turn the AC off & sleep with a small fan in the window & even blankets. Now we're back to a fairly high heat index again. It's fairly common to get a hot summer in Milwaukee. It usually feels hotter because of the humidity. With lake Michigan it cn get pretty cool with an east breeze, though. It takes all winter for the water to get cold & all summer for it to heat up. Those rich folks that live right on the lake have milder winters but with more "lake effect" snow & slightly cooler summers but a bit more humidity. I'm about 4 miles inland so most time the weather is somewhat moderated. I was sitting outside with my shortwave radio until an hour ago & it was almost oppressive even in the shade. Then clouds came & covered the sun & a slight breeze came & it felt much better. My grandson just came home from caddying double bags for 9 holes & he says he feels like a wet rag doll. Very few golfers today & he felt lucky to go out at all. The heat scares everyone away who have outdoor activities planned. My younger grandson was told he might as well go home early because it didn't look like any golfers were coming & only a few had tee time reservations. He was disappointed because he was just promoted to an AA caddie & that means a raise in pay. His next promotion will be to Honor Caddie like the older grandson & that means double bagging for almost every time he goes. The problem with that is Honor Caddies have to wait until a double comes up. Sometime it doesn't happen then he's SOL.

    My son should be on his way home with a stop at his uncle's, my brother-in-law who lives in Amery, WI close to the half way point to Milwaukee. The nice thing about schools is you get promotion point credit for both the school under Military Education & for the requirement for promotion that the school offers. When th school offers a badge, like Airborne School giving you the jump wings you get promotion points for the school & the badge every time you're up for promotion. sorta like the gift that keeps on giving. For me that also included the badges & earned in the Navy - Submarine badge, Diver badge, jump wings & finally the UDT badge which turned into the SEAL Trident. Some were worth 5 promotion points & some were worth 10. I also received promotion points for the schools that got me the badges. It was difficult determining how many points the Army allowed for the Navy badges so I figured low when I was working them out but a Senior Officer well established on promotion boards gave me more points than I figured. He also warned me that I'd better have them on when having my promotion picture taken & when I reported to the board. The last board I was on was a surprise to me . I found out about it after I was officially promoted to MSG. Some very Senior Officer was wondering why my name wasn't included with the candidates (the Division Commander was former enlisted in the Navy if he's the one) so they dug out my old promotion picture when I was boarded for SFC & filled out my paperwork for me. I think I had an admirer way up the payscale (the Division Commander?) & felt kind of bad for the other guys going for it, one of them was my acting 1SG when we were both SFCs & I was his operations Sgt. They all thought he was lacking & knew that I was making excuses for him when I filled in for him during mandatory First Sgt meetings with the Old Man & G3 COL & also covered for him at formations. He evidently did that one time too many & they thought that I was more qualified to run a section or a company. I was hoping to make that into SGM or CSM stripes but I didn't have enough time left in the Army to realize that dream when a slot finally opened. I could have done it if I went to a leg unit but I was Airborne. The lack of jump pay wouldn't have made up the difference in pay between E8 & E9.

    Now it's raining. Great. We need it bad. Now the humidity will really climb.
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    Been off forums,and media for awhile.Needed time to learn some more about myself and how prepared I am to committing to the Military life,let alone the frontline.During that time I did learn,but I also met someone whose been through RASP 1...But decided it wasn't for them on week four,like many others who quit during these programs,he is now worldwide wishing he stuck out his time at Cole Range.So hearing from someone who attempted,and left the program my perspective on RASP has changed.

    Not because its hard,or mentally tough.But my view says if you aren't committed to getting smoked and thrashed for making mistakes,or for doing poor in training for long periods of time.Or second guessing about going to RASP letalone soldier in the 75th.You already lost the fight of showing you have the intestinal fortitude,mental toughness,physical strength,and morality of serving in the 75th.Because if you quit in training,you will quit on your Ranger brothers.Nonetheless be a hazard on the battlefield.So though I'm still weighing out options,and considering 11x/Airborne.I'll fully admit,I'm not sure if I want to be on Batt Boy status or even try.But my conscience sometimes betray me,saying I should still go for it.Since Rangers and other SOF units gave me inspirations in life.But I'll worry more about that after I take the ASVAB...or atleast whenever this recruiter I emailed replies.If not by the end of this month,I'll try to find his office.Its not nearby,and I have no vehicle but I plan to take this test before I leave in December.

    Meantime between now and sometime next year,I'm trying to get a few things straightened out in my life.Or atleast get somewhere else aside where I'm at now.Because whenever I do decide to join I want to be ready.
    (Hadn't been a PC as much as I was during the summer.)

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    Very definitely the 75th isn't for everyone. It's only 1 regiment in a huge Army so only those who are 110% committed should apply. If you have any doubts whatsoever then don't even think about it. I would never, never talk anyone into getting an Option 40 contract. In my book just being a Paratrooper puts you in the elite class. If sometime further down the line you have an opportunity to go to Ranger School so much the better for you. That's one thing that I was deprived of due to my age. I almost got a waiver due to the fact I was a Navy SEAL but the time between that & my entry into the Army was too long. I managed to get an age waiver for Air Assault School, though. My reasoning & it seemed sound to the waivering authority was the fact that as a Senior NCO in an Airborne unit I couldn't expect that we'd jump into combat every time & I wanted a working knowledge of Air Assault operations.

    As a Paratrooper you'll have plenty of opportunities to get advanced schooling. Usually, Airborne units have first crack at sending their 11Bs to Ranger School, Sniper School, Recon School, etc. At least they did when I was in. Just being an 11B/C gives you those same opportunities. As a Ranger even more so. My son went to Jumpmaster school, Breacher & Master Breacher School, Stryker driver training, Instructor School, NCO schools & a few lesser schools. Had he stayed i the next school on the schedule was Pathfinder School & Special Operations Diver School. I think that a Paratrooper on jump status in an Airborne unit would have many of the same chances at times (No Stryker training, though, LOL). Of course, the needs of the unit & needs of the Army determine that but for a sharp
    Troop the chances are pretty good.

    You're young & you have plenty of time to make up your mind. Once you do you'll have to go all out to meet that goal regardless which route you take. The next election one month away will determine the status of our Military. It'll either be the same, worse or better. I don't want to be political but I served under Bush & under Clinton & it was much worse under the latter. Many times we didn't even have enough funding to do the basics like weapons qualification. Several times I had to forgo qualification in rifle or pistol or both to allow someone who needed it for reenlistment or promotion just so we'd have enough ammo to go around.
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    Lol your son has been everywhere,I'm kinda curious to see all of his awards&pins on his uniform.Quite some schools&training you both went through.
    Not enough funding to do something essential as weapons qualifications?They must've been trying to life really easier for you fellas.Actually kinda anxious to see who is going to be the next Commander in Chief.Because like you said the election will determine the status of our Military.

    I found out my main issue on taking the ASVAB.My math and arithmetic could use some more work,and I could try to do better on General Science.But my main issue has been adjusting to the time hack of each section of the test.I realized I had read questions,but I was abit tense inside.But today,and the other day I took a few practice tests.On the first few I didn't do so well,but then I tried to stay relaxed while taking it even if there were problems I wasn't sure about.Through it all I got a 10/11 on Tuesday,and a 9/15 today.Could do better but I see improvement is in order.

    Now that we mention Paratrooper,I got something to add with that.While I was in Thailand for the last time,two weeks ago I knew before I left I wanted to do something that involved being airborne as well as using an M4 carbine(Yes they actually have those out there.).Unfortunately the M4 they had only came with pellets,so I ended up with a 9mm.From that I can say I need more time at the range.As for going Airborne,the plan was originally paragliding...but because it was kinda far and a little extra $.I ended Parasailing instead.I'll go ahead and say parasailing doesn't come nowhere near to jumping out of a c130,but it boosted my confidence&motivation for jump school.
    (I replied a couple of days ago...for so I thought,but I guess the PC I was using didn't get my reply through.)

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    Most of my son's schools were at Ft. Benning except for Stryker school which was at Ft. Lewis (now called Joint Base Lewis/McCord). Instead of using Humvees they had decided to use Stryker Fighting Vehicles which gave them more room, more firepower & more protection. He related a story about a SPC who was trying to sell Air Assault School as the greatest thing since sliced bread. They just smiled & nodded their heads. Most if not all of them already had gone to AAS & about every other "assault" school the Army & other services offered, LOL.

    The main difference between Breachers (door kickers) & Master Breachers was the training & ability to use an explosive charge on interior doors as well as exterior. It's highly dangerous to blow something up inside a building. He normally used a shotgun loaded with breaching rounds which could (and did) kill the enemy as well.

    This is a good time to study for that ASVAB. If you have to get a tutor that might serve you well. The higher your official score the more opportunities you'll have in the Army. I felt blessed when I was joining the Army. I hadn't even given it a thought that I'd be taking the ASVAB. I had tested for the Navy & I think it was called something else at that time. For any schooling was far behind me but life experiences & a good knowledge of math, science & English served me well. Had I given even a second of thought to it I would have done some studying. I found most of the questions were common sense but still a little knowledge helped a lot. Mechanical was a bit troublesome but there's where life experiences paid off. Since I was an Engineman in the Navy I could at least tell the difference between a screwdriver & a wrench. My experience was limiteed to working on big diesels in submarines & small outboards in UDT/SEALs. Also worked on generators & pumps. Nothng automotive.

    I know what you mean about thinking you posted something & find it doesn't exist. That usually happens to my longest most detailed posts that required Googling stuff to provide an answer, LOL.

    Fall is here in WI. Temps down to near freezing at night & all the way up to 52 in the daytime. This weekend is supposed to be nice with temps in the mid 60s. My grandsons want to caddy because this could very well be the last weekend for golf. They don't have to worry about a Packer game because they played (and won) last night. That usually keeps golfers home or at best they'll only play nine holes. Cuts the pay in half.

    My oldest grandson has a girlfriend who comes from Thailand. She's an exchange student in his HS & she's also on the Robotics Team with him. She's very tiny & calls herself "Pin". I'm not sure if I even ever heard her real name. She's got a part time job & you guessed it - in a Thai restaurant. She stays with foster parents & her dad is still in Thailand & supports her. Her mom was killed in a car accident. Real nice girl. Speaks almost unaccented Engish.

    I'll sign off for now. Although the PI business for me has been slow I'd still like to work on a few unresolved cases. I suppose if I get bored I could always volunteer for some surveillance work. Then again maybe not. I have to live up to the statement I made when I was in the process of retiring from the Army. I was asked what I'd like to be in civilian life & I said "bored", LOL.

    Almost forgot to tell you - my son will receive a lifesaving award from the PD on 2 Nov. He saved a gunshot victim from bleeding out by applying his personal Army issue tourniquet. Like the Army, all awards you get add up to more opportunities for promotion & assignments of choice when there are openings.
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    Tried to type in the other day,but I took too long.

    From what I read and what I was told,in RASP all candidates have to take a breaching test as a team and complete the task in under 15 minutes,or they fail and will have to go through another eight weeks of training again.From the looks of it,I can see breaching as an art.Not because their are different ways of getting a door open,but also because precautions need to be taken.Since there could be possibly be unarmed hostages,bombs,chemicals,etc that could do more harm than good.

    Because you mention the weather in Wisconsin,I'm quite curious to see a winter of it in first person.I'd bet it'd be a great place to shred snow on a snowboard.Korea normally has a dry winter,with occasional snow...but hardly ever has snow that stuck long enough,for us to get out of school early lol.Its on and off this year,its either windy in the thirties&late twenties or its brisk and warm in the low fifties.This countries weather is drastic.

    I haven't heard back from the recruiter yet,but whether if I take my test here or there in the US,I still plan on taking it.But I might end up with a squad of these kids,who failed the ASVAB but also are out of shape.Some kids my father is setting me up with to help them condition or getting in some shape I am.However lately I've been thinking things through,or how the decisions I make now are going to affect me in the long run between the Military and other jobs I had in mind.I have a personal issue,that might trouble me in the Military.Its not the situation of "If I can do it,you can do it",its something more personal,that I have to think through before jumping the gun.
    (I'd say more,but my times running short.)

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