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    Default Was 19D,11B,or both worth your time for experience to build a perspective?

    I'm a newbie to the forum,but I have a view of what the Army life is like having lived with a 68W attached to Frontline units.(Armor,Cav,and Infantry)However I'm considering enlisting to do time as a 19D,maybe 11B/11C further down the road if I am to continue to serve.I am aware of what both jobs do,their civilian transitions,the toll it takes on the body.My question to the guys out there who been there...Was it worth doing,for experience and a perspective?

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    Hi, Roger! I'm sorry I didn't respond faster but you signed on about the time I left the computer until this PM.

    I served most of my 21 Army years as Airborne Infantry. I came out of a 6 year Navy enlistment as a SEAL with a big break in service. I loved every minute of it. My son was also an active duty Infantryman with the 75th Ranger Regiment & served 5 combat tours. He stayed in the Reserve after active duty. That's one thing 19Ds can't be - A Ranger in a Ranger Battalion. That not on their list of MOSs. I don't know what the chances of even getting into Airborne School or Sniper School as a CavScout are. I know Infantry has priority. As far as going 19D with the thought of getting into Infantry in the future that would all depend on how critical each MOS is. When my son was in the process of enlisting he could have gone immediately if he opted for 19D. The Recruiter even had all the paperwork ready. He had to wait about a half a year to get into Infantry & when he found out that was the only way he could be a Ranger he told his Recruiter to shove it. He might have gone 19D if he could have gotten Airborne School but even that was a no-go. If that doesn't interest you then it's basically a toss of the coin. Each MOS in the Army has it's good points. There aren't a lot of differences between the two.

    Whatever you decide just determine that you'll be the best Soldier God ever put on this earth & you'll be okay.

    Try to decide to get in the Army fast. Get with a Recruiter & find out which job will get you the quickest. The Army has been ordered to cut their manpower by another 40,000. It's going to be increasingly more difficult to enlist with ANY contract that you want. The Army is very picky as to who they let in & it'll get worse in the near future. At this time of year it's probably the busiest for Recruiters with all the graduates than other times. Normally I'd tell you to wait until from Thanksgiving until about mid January. That's their slowest time. I'd still contact a Recruiter now. Let him make his pitch. If he can't offer anything you want then wait a few more months. Chances are basic training & MOS schools are filled up until that time anyhow. Most of the desirable jobs will be filled. That usually includes the Combat Arms MOSs. Every red-blooded young man wants to be an Infantryman, lol.

    Good luck & keep us informed & updated.

    By the way - my son transitioned very successfully from the Rangers to the local big city police department. He's deciding to apply to our Tactical Enforcement Unit. That's what we call SWAT here. He's having so much fun doing what he's doing as a patrol cop, though.
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    Thanks for the reply Sergeant Glenn(MSG),I have visited the recruiters office recently and it seems like the ASVAB I took can't be used to get in.Currently I'm about to start senior year,but throughout duration of the year I plan on studying harder for the ASVAB,to make my attempt to make a 50 and above.I know I mentioned 19D,but 11x on the other hand is what I'm hoping for...only if its with opt 40.Its a battle decision between 11B/11C Ranger and 19Delta.If it were still possible I'd become a 19D(11D) and try out for RASP,but 19D is no longer Infantry.So I only considered 11x(11B),since its fairly similar to 19D but can get into RASP.Earlier I said I'd do time as 19D first,then reclass to 11 series if I liked the Army but only to see if I can hack Ranger life.However having read a guide,Sua Sponte by Dick Couch I realized if I really want Ranger,my best bet is going under an opt 40 contract since its hard to come by nowadays.My Jrotc instructor is a former 1/75 himself but his days active in battalion remain in the 80's.Meantime,well atleast this year I plan to get back on what I did to start conditioning for Ranger.Even though I may not go Ranger,it will indeed help me on my PT tests at OSUT.Also plan to study hard for taking the ASVAB again once I graduate,since my last score couldn't even get me in the 11 series...yes it was bad,but better than my first attempt.
    I haven't done any real Army pt aside jrotc pt,but I have maintained fitness doing combat sport conditioning and used jump rope as a cardio base.It has improved my endurance,speed,and stamina and worked other muscles running doesn't.
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    Keep studying for the ASVAB. The higher your score the more opportunities you'll have. Just Google "ASVAB" & you should be able to find many study guides.

    Don't hold your breath for an Option 40. They are HARD to get. Just in case you get one continue your physical training but step it up a notch. It's amazing how many of those with Option 40 contract wash out on the first day. If an Option 40 is impossible to get try to get an Option 4 (Airborne School) contract. With an Option 40 Airborne School is automatic.
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    Precisely,as for the PT tests or conditioning I know somebody who I believe can help me or give me a taste of what I can really expect.That would have to be my SAI in JROTC who isnt just a 1/75,but also a former 5th&10th SF soldier that served in OIF.His training will help me,its not even a doubt.Aside the ASVAB,I have been studying the creed...since yesterday.I don't know the full creed yet,but I know the first three stanzas as much as I know my number.So I'll continue on with the Ranger Creed.Oh yes I hear you loud and clear about the enlisting stampede.Normally between Spring-Fall alot of people try to join the Army especially with an Option 40 contract.Then when you mentioned it I realized that there is a smaller portion who enlist during winter,than those who do in the spring-fall.Now I'd like to have an 11x/opt 40 contract,but if I have to wait more than 8-10 months,I will not go Ranger and do something else in the Army.

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    At times there are opportunities to apply for RASP while you're in the Army. Having Airborne School can be a help. There are also times when Ranger Recruiters will go to Infantry OSUT & Airborne School looking for volunteers. Of course the best Soldiers at both are the ones they'll choose with a recommendation from the Drill Sgts & Airborne Instructors.

    While you're an Infantryman & in an Airborne unit you can apply to go to Ranger School. That will not get you into the Ranger Regt. & you'd go back to the unit that sent you there.

    The whole thing depends on the needs of the Army & the 75th.
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    I've heard plenty of of Rangers between Sua Sponte,and in person say they enlisted as an 11x with airborne but due to their high performance in class,while a Ranger recruiter was out they usually got selected.However I wouldn't count on finding my shot to RASP at OSUT.I know if I am to be a SSG-and above I'd have to go to Ranger School first,then to RASP 2.But if I get my chance at Ranger,I'd prefer doing it before 11B starts to shut down my body.I plan to serve three years if I can prove I have what it takes to make it into the Regiment and stay without getting RFS'd.Preferably some time after I graduate.Also another thing regarding PT,I didn't just do the regular pt test.I was actually doing Ranger School runs,with a 32-35 minute 5 mile run.That was then now is now.Overtime I got back into doing countless pushups(300-500,with sets of course),and some situps(200-375),along with other exercises I used to condition for Muay Thai.My cardio and endurance is exceptional and should be very useful once I start running again.I know RASP will still destroy me,but I say I'm in some good shape.But its all a Mental game,as RASP is.
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    You're right about RASP being a mental game but there's plenty of physical involved. When my son went through it was called RIP & he thought that was harder than Ranger School. Of course the 3rd Batt prepared him in day to day PT, training & Pre-Ranger. He had one deployment before he went to RS & that helped a lot, too. He only had Infantry OSUT & Airborne School before he went to RIP. Still new to the Army with all its culture shocks.

    You shouldn't have a problem with RASP with the physical condition you're in. My son had been in Judo since he was 9 & he was a grade school & high school varsity wrestler. I was one of his coaches & there was no holding back. We had an award winning Judo team as well as great wrestling teams.

    You might want to ask your Ranger friends about the water qualifications. You at least have to be comfortable in the water & there are certain tests that you'll have to go through. Fortunately I was a Frogman when I was in the Navy & prepared my son well. This was before he even considered going in the Army let alone being a Ranger.

    The lack of sleep especially in Ranger School can really be hard on you. In RIP it wasn't as bad as RS. Given an involved mission as a leader regardless of your actual rank with 2 hours of sleep can really be a challenge. Normally each student is rotated through the leadership positions with the thought in mind that due to loss of Rangers in a firefight might put a PFC in a high leadership position.
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    About Ranger friends...the only Ranger I am affiliated with straight up is my JROTC instructor.However on Facebook,I've managed to find a alot of Rangers and there Ranger buddies.I tried contacting one about PT,but he never replied.Probably because he wants me to go figure out on myself.Nothing uncommon I had happen to me from other Operators I met.But this book Sua Sponte answered my questions from RASP to life in Ranger Batt.Some of the questions I had for some Rangers that didn't get answered.Its a must read for Aspiring Rangers...least thats what the back said.Though I'm not a Ranger,I recommend the book to any other men out there considering Ranger.Aside how useful the book has been and what its taught,I'd like to see if I am cut out for RASP,overall for Ranger Batt but RS...will likely be hard if not the hardest 60 days,I'll endure can't guarantee it but I'm willing to see what happens.From 11B-Ranger-RS-etc

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    Nobody ever expects more from you than you doing your absolute best & a little more. If you're trying out for a team or RASP or a job then the best that you can do is all that's required. If that's not enough & you don't make it regardless how hard you tried then it's "oh,well". You just weren't cut out for it.
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