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    Quote Originally Posted by torspo[fin] View Post
    oh comeone?
    That thing can pick more berries than my berry picker.

    as for the 7.62x51.. its a fine round, for cheap snipers and machineguns.
    You people moved to 5.56x45 for squad automatics for a reason.

    not that it would get much love in our surroundings aither.
    I'm not sure what picking berries has to do with rifles.

    The 5.56 has indeed now taken the forefront role for both our main infantry rifles and carbines, and for our light machineguns (LMGs) and automatic rifles. But ALL of us NATO countries still use the 7.62x51 for both our general purpose machineguns (GPMGs) and in the US as our medium range sniper cartridge (M24 sniper rifle, M110 Semiautomatic Sniper System).

    I'm still wondering what reasons you have for disliking this cartridge in general, and this platform in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H2O MAN View Post
    It's a work in progress, but I thought you would like seeing my newest build anyway.

    Not sure if Im digging the color.. LOL.. But the weapon has its advantages... bull pump M14... nice!!!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    I'm not sure what picking berries has to do with rifles.

    The 5.56 has indeed now taken the forefront role for both our main infantry rifles and carbines, and for our light machineguns (LMGs) and automatic rifles. But ALL of us NATO countries still use the 7.62x51 for both our general purpose machineguns (GPMGs) and in the US as our medium range sniper cartridge (M24 sniper rifle, M110 Semiautomatic Sniper System).

    I'm still wondering what reasons you have for disliking this cartridge in general, and this platform in particular.
    IMO, nothing wrong with the round.. its got real application for the military, specialized law enforcement units and all snipers.... Not suitable for private self defence, but recreational shooters would do well with it on the range or hunting anything upto deer....
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    The biggest criticism I have of this design is that it positions the optics pretty high above the bore - perhaps J-Tac will release a version for those who wish to remove the front sight and run optics only.

    Just thinking out loud, here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    I'm not sure what picking berries has to do with rifles.

    The 5.56 has indeed now taken the forefront role for both our main infantry rifles and carbines, and for our light machineguns (LMGs) and automatic rifles. But ALL of us NATO countries still use the 7.62x51 for both our general purpose machineguns (GPMGs) and in the US as our medium range sniper cartridge (M24 sniper rifle, M110 Semiautomatic Sniper System).

    I'm still wondering what reasons you have for disliking this cartridge in general, and this platform in particular.
    my berrypicker "throw" was perhaps too metaphoric.
    the rig while nice, would collect all sorts of dirt, leafs and pine needles here before you'd gone even half a mile in to the forrest.
    (instant unintended camo... negatives to positives.. always)
    7.62x51 nato is not assault cartridge in today's standards.. it's fine for battle rifles but in our conditions it would be mostly over powered
    and clumsy, unless utilized in GPMG. i don't have hate for the round it self, I'm just comparing the capabilities to our chosen weaponry.
    same goes for the 5.56's capabilities in our surroundings. otherwise it might be a fine feed for a gun. probably tops 7.62x39 in open enviroment
    everytime and sure it sure is lighter. we do our thing in dense forrests -25c(-77f) where the cartridge looses its ballistic edge and fails by it's mass.
    when you add on the prize tag, tactically good round becomes crap at the strategic level for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torspo[fin] View Post
    7.62x51 nato is not assault cartridge in today's standards.. it's fine for battle rifles but in our conditions it would be mostly over powered
    and clumsy, unless utilized in GPMG. i don't have hate for the round it self, I'm just comparing the capabilities to our chosen weaponry.
    egic level for us.
    7.62mm round is an round suitable for assaults Torps... its about tools for the job at hand... the 5.56mm round has limitations in Afghanistan where the 7.62 is able to punch through.. those 5 foot walls so famed there for stopping 5.56mm founds is what Im thinking off.. I understand the 7.62 has being successful in those situations..
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    Rogue M14HDW Bullpup Chassis Stock

    hopefully you didnt try to rip the pic off this but ethier way its a really sweet rig.
    Last edited by smoot1234; 09-02-2011 at 06:37 PM.

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    Smoot - that's the original poster's website you linked to and asked if he had ripped off...
    H2OMan has been controversial sometimes, sure - but he's never been accused of plagiarism. Hopefully you'll do some more research before posting next time.

    Torspo - I understand what you're saying when you state that the 7.62x39mm round is all you need for up close and personal engagements in the densely wooded forests of Suomi - but it looks like your country also understands the need for intermediate and long range sniping applications, as evidenced by Finland's development of the 8.6x70mm (.338 Lapua Magnum) round for extreme long range use.
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    i wasnt trying to be hurtfull about it medic and i said hopefully he did, for all i know he could be the owner of the site just stating, ethier way its a very beautiful peice of work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post

    Torspo - I understand what you're saying when you state that the 7.62x39mm round is all you need for up close and personal engagements in the densely wooded forests of Suomi - but it looks like your country also understands the need for intermediate and long range sniping applications, as evidenced by Finland's development of the 8.6x70mm (.338 Lapua Magnum) round for extreme long range use.
    The Lapua .338 is a fine round, just ask any British Army Sniper.. I saw an article posted here actually that was on a BA Sniper whom took out 3 Taliban from over a mile away with the rounds.. great work, great round!!...

    As for the M14 bullpump... Given the Afghani use of think walls, it would do well in Helmund..
    Tenants of Bushido;

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