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    Quote Originally Posted by H2O MAN View Post
    I had a few minutes to spare today and zeroed in my scope.

    I'm not comfortable firing from a bench and that's probably why one round is pulled way off to the right.


    Nice Group H20, I think its time to push it out to 200 yards and 300 yards... A good marksman never stops pushing the envelope!!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by H2O MAN View Post
    That's the plan, but I want to get intimate with the set-up on my personal 100 yard range before venturing to the long range down the road.
    Do it right, or dont do it at all.. good stuff... sounds like a plan for sure..
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    Looks like that offset RDS arrangement is becoming more and more popular - although I like it a bit closer to my shooting eye for faster acquisition. Nice setup!
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    that is way out of the box.. its nice. still.

    do you people have any idea how much it would cost for a nation to actually field that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torspo[fin] View Post
    do you people have any idea how much it would cost for a nation to actually field that?
    Considering that the cost to recruit, transport, feed, clothe, house and train an infantryman is something like $150,000 before he ever reports in to his first unit, the difference between a $1,000 rifle (M4 MWS with Aimpoint RDS) and a $3,000 rifle (M14 with bullpup stock and optics) is pretty minimal. And yes, H2O Man - I know you have more than $3K in that setup, but things get a lot cheaper when you buy then 10,000 units at a time.

    Where the economics of scale really get crazy is when you start looking at what it costs to deploy that infantryman into combat - by the time you add up all of the administrative, logistical, intelligence, service and support personnel costs, and the costs of feeding, clothing, securing and housing them as well, it costs the US well over half a million dollars for each infantryman per year in a combat zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    Considering that the cost to recruit, transport, feed, clothe, house and train an infantryman is something like $150,000 before he ever reports in to his first unit, the difference between a $1,000 rifle (M4 MWS with Aimpoint RDS) and a $3,000 rifle (M14 with bullpup stock and optics) is pretty minimal. And yes, H2O Man - I know you have more than $3K in that setup, but things get a lot cheaper when you buy then 10,000 units at a time.

    Where the economics of scale really get crazy is when you start looking at what it costs to deploy that infantryman into combat - by the time you add up all of the administrative, logistical, intelligence, service and support personnel costs, and the costs of feeding, clothing, securing and housing them as well, it costs the US well over half a million dollars for each infantryman per year in a combat zone.
    that setup is 3,000.
    can you suply that for more than 100,000?
    for the means to repel the soviet union?

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    Can I supply it? No. Are there manufacturers who can? Absolutely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    Considering that the cost to recruit, transport, feed, clothe, house and train an infantryman is something like $150,000 before he ever reports in to his first unit, the difference between a $1,000 rifle (M4 MWS with Aimpoint RDS) and a $3,000 rifle (M14 with bullpup stock and optics) is pretty minimal. And yes, H2O Man - I know you have more than $3K in that setup, but things get a lot cheaper when you buy then 10,000 units at a time.

    Where the economics of scale really get crazy is when you start looking at what it costs to deploy that infantryman into combat - by the time you add up all of the administrative, logistical, intelligence, service and support personnel costs, and the costs of feeding, clothing, securing and housing them as well, it costs the US well over half a million dollars for each infantryman per year in a combat zone.
    $1k for an M4 with bells and whistles, that pritty good Doc compared to other rifles in its class..
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    Economy of scale, Exo. The biggest cost to create something is in designing and setting up equipment and tooling to make it - after that, the more you make the less each unit costs. This is being seen now in the civilian market as well, where complete rifle kits less the lower receiver can be had for as little as $419-, and receivers for as little as $65-, so you could be in an AR-15 for under $500- plus shipping and your FFL dealer's transfer fee.

    Rifle Kit, M4 Carbine, A3 upper, 16 [AR-RKM4A3] - $419.00 :: AK Parts kits - Superb Products
    Del-Ton, Inc. AR-15 16" Rifle Kit
    Welcome to the RGUNS Internet Storefront - scroll down for AR receiver deal

    Going even further on the cheap, a couple of years ago a plumber and firearms enthusiast in Arizona got tired of seeing the exorbitant prices then being charged for AR rifles and parts, and founded a company to make complete lowers out of polymer at a deeply discounted price. These lowers include all the furniture and fire control parts and can be had for $115- or so. Complete uppers can be had for $350- or so, so there's another avenue for a sub-$500 AR-15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    Economy of scale, Exo. The biggest cost to create something is in designing and setting up equipment and tooling to make it - after that, the more you make the less each unit costs. This is being seen now in the civilian market as well, where complete rifle kits less the lower receiver can be had for as little as $419-, and receivers for as little as $65-, so you could be in an AR-15 for under $500- plus shipping and your FFL dealer's transfer fee.

    Rifle Kit, M4 Carbine, A3 upper, 16 [AR-RKM4A3] - $419.00 :: AK Parts kits - Superb Products
    Del-Ton, Inc. AR-15 16" Rifle Kit
    Welcome to the RGUNS Internet Storefront - scroll down for AR receiver deal

    Going even further on the cheap, a couple of years ago a plumber and firearms enthusiast in Arizona got tired of seeing the exorbitant prices then being charged for AR rifles and parts, and founded a company to make complete lowers out of polymer at a deeply discounted price. These lowers include all the furniture and fire control parts and can be had for $115- or so. Complete uppers can be had for $350- or so, so there's another avenue for a sub-$500 AR-15.
    Fully agree on economy of Scale Doc!!.. AR15 for under $500.. durability?... Polymers depending on the quality of the base compound can break annoyingly!!.. That said, an NCO in my old Battalion saw a Steyr AUG getting driven over by a 20 ton truck and it was fine... could a <$500 AR 15 have a similar rep with those polymers? Hopefully eh!!...
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