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    If you qualified for a marksman medal & it's in your ERB it should still be current so I say wear it. As far as foreign awards go if it's a badge worn above your right pocket then only one is authorized. An NCO I knew had foreign jump wings & a ROK (South Korea) Ranger Badge (looks similar to our CIB) & could only wear one of them. At that time he was required to have authorization, I believe DA, to wear either.

    Unit awards are permanent if you were with that unit when it was awarded. If you weren't then you have to take it off upon reassignment.

    Those are the rules as I interpret them & the ones that I enforced. Please correct me if' I'm wrong or there have been changes. When I was in we were allowed to wear a maximum of 5 badges depending on what group they were in. Now I believe 4 is the max.
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    But the 1,000,000 dollar question is; with all the HOOAH, did he get promoted on his first look?
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    Five badges are the mavimum number allowed for wear. From AR 670-1, Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms, 3 FEB 2005, Paragraph 29-17(b)(2) on page 297 -
    (2) A total of five combat and special skill badges are authorized for wear at one time; this total does not include special skill tabs (see figs 29–52 and 29–53). Personnel may wear only one badge each from groups 1, 2, and 3, as listed in paragraph a, above. Personnel also may wear three badges from group 4, and two badges from group 5, but the total number of badges cannot exceed five.
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    It is true that the ERB is the source document for the promotions process. Hoever, the ERB does not and cannot trump Army regulations.

    SSG K- the advice I would provide to one of my own NCOs in your position is this:

    - Read and become familiar with the pertinent sections of AR 670-1 for the uniform you will be wearing, and the pertinent sections of AR 600-8-22 for the awards you are authorized.
    - Review and update your ERB so that it accurately reflects all of your current awards.
    - Ask your Platoon Sergeant and Platoon Leader to conduct an inspection of you in that uniform, and ask them to be as critical as they possibly can. Write down any guidance they give you, and compare it to the appropriate regulations, above.
    - Lastly, relax and have your DA photo taken, confident that you have done the very best you can.

    To go back and answer the original question in your first post - yes, foreign awards such as the German Sports Proficiency Badge, Schützenschnur, or foreign Airborne Badge are permanent, and can and should be worn for one's DA Photo.

    Good luck!
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    ERB does not and cannot trump Army regulations.

    Who in the Army thinks that? I was not implying that whatsoever. Personally, for a DA board, nobody is going to know what you shot last but the board looks at your ERB and will match your photo to what is on there. It is just that simple. Attention to detail.

    But this is not rocket science. You go to the DA photo shop and the person (usually military retired) provides the proper guidance before take your photo. Take a copy of your ERB as well. They square you away. The person made corrections when it came to mine.

    Trust me, I have taken more than a half-dozen DA photos.

    This is not your first look for E7, correct? What did you wear for your last photo? What does your current photo possess?

    Sometimes being a barracks lawyer and acting like an expert on the regs is not the right answer
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    With respect, Sir - I am neither a barracks lawyer nor acting like an expert on the regs. I simply quoted the appropriate paragraphs to allow the OP to comply. I am still not interested in a personal conflict with you or anyone else here.

    As the copy of AR 640-30 you linked to states, all officers and NCOs in the grade of SSG and above are required to take a DA photo, so it is usually on making SSG an enlisted Soldier first has to figure out this system. This is our opportunity to help out just such a young SSG, and not to fight amongst ourselves.
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    I was not fighting Grunt. Just a friendly debate as you so have stated before. In general, I was just stating that some references seem to complicate a matter. Not a jab at you whatsoever.

    BTW, I was complimenting you about Dr. Phil.

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