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    Quote Originally Posted by papachop View Post
    The MRAPs are definitely not "cheap", and there are many different versions - some of them very close to the same style and weight class of this vehicle.
    It's not an MBT, and the designers did not mean for it to compete with an MBT.
    thats the thing.... When MRAP swims with full gear and complement... I'm ready to put them side by side.
    just saying that we have arsenal to take out loads of MTBs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torspo[fin] View Post
    just saying that we have arsenal to take out loads of MTBs.
    Not with the Patria, you don't - since the Finnish Army has only fielded the AMOS mortar (XA-361) and machinegun/GMG (XA-360) variants, and fewer than 90 total of those. Are there any plans for Finland to field the Mobile Gun System Variant, or anything packing a bigger punch than the 120mm mortar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunt Medic TXARNG View Post
    Not with the Patria, you don't - since the Finnish Army has only fielded the AMOS mortar (XA-361) and machinegun/GMG (XA-360) variants, and fewer than 90 total of those. Are there any plans for Finland to field the Mobile Gun System Variant, or anything packing a bigger punch than the 120mm mortar?
    Everything within Patria arsenal we can field with quite short notice.. didnt i already mention this?

    to that breather... im sure we could probably even field most of the Swedish arsenal should the "shit hit the fan".. as you say.
    and as you know or might not know.. your arsenal is about Swedish as it gets.
    Other things aside.. Its still a conscription army in a country which has about half the people of New york.

    Our strategy doesnt really need more than the mentioned.
    in common war terms we would expect our country to be overrun within minutes.
    the rest is about as "Total defence" as it gets.
    (iraq resistance multiplied by a few thousand)

    what comes to the gear it would be plain idiotic to field it.. first of all our neighbours would be upset.. and second.. we would show our hand.
    but yes at the moment we have just few of those you mentioned + some here and there.

    + some soviet stuff we shouldnt discuss about?

    nah.. just foolin with ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torspo[fin] View Post
    hm... nothing as of yet..
    Well lets put it this way..

    2 of thease have the potential to destroy or disable 8 M1 Abrams within 10 minutes given the optimal circumstances.

    frakly i tought you folks would be more interested.. but then again.. priorities for the win.
    Really? It looks like a tonka truck with a CROW 50. CAL on top. It's a very BOLD statement to say that two of those could take out 8 Abrams. Lets think about this a Tankers worst fear is to be flanked or shot in the rear, that would be your optimal circumstance. but first you gotta get in range of an Abrams with out being seen.. Let me tell you not much isn't seen threw that thermal site, you can see a fly sitting on a steaming pile of shit @ 4000 meters. Second once you send 1 round down range towards a tank the rest of the platoon in sectors going to maneuver and then you would be destroyed. You would have better luck getting one of these smuggled into the US then smuggle it on to a US Army installation and start shooting @ Tanks in the motor pool! I hope Finland isn't filling there Soldiers head with that jibjab!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sTANKer View Post
    Really? It looks like a tonka truck with a CROW 50. CAL on top. It's a very BOLD statement to say that two of those could take out 8 Abrams. Lets think about this a Tankers worst fear is to be flanked or shot in the rear, that would be your optimal circumstance. but first you gotta get in range of an Abrams with out being seen.. Let me tell you not much isn't seen threw that thermal site, you can see a fly sitting on a steaming pile of shit @ 4000 meters. Second once you send 1 round down range towards a tank the rest of the platoon in sectors going to maneuver and then you would be destroyed. You would have better luck getting one of these smuggled into the US then smuggle it on to a US Army installation and start shooting @ Tanks in the motor pool! I hope Finland isn't filling there Soldiers head with that jibjab!


    Well, i did say "in optimal conditions". and Abrams was a bit provocative choise for the target. But yeah. as it shoots Strix mortars (which home in to the tanks from the top with a warhead designed to penetrate the top armor of a tank) through its double barrel in shoot and scoot operations it has very real chance of taking out many tanks of that magnitude within very short time.
    of course, in case of you being there you are thinking your army doctrine. and yeah.. someone would have to screw up big time if somebody actually shooting your tanks would get one of thease. so i am speaking out side the usual circumstances here taking your Abrams tank as an example...
    while the weaponsystem it self is obviously ment to counter different gear. Still it is a programmable mortar with guided missile charracteristics with a range of 7 kilometers. One AMOS unit has the fire rate of 26 per minute so, you might see what i am refferring to.
    I don't know how well the basic Abrams i was refferring to, is top armored but i would bet one Strix round would disable if not destroy the tank.

    Thease weapon systems are made to counter such tanks as T-90 with active protection and reactive armor as well as large quantitys of infantry from a distance.


    does this look like tonka truck to you?
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