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    Question M1117...A technological advantage or an AIR CONDITIONED COFFIN?

    The M1117 (ASV-Armored Security Vehicle) is a fine vehicle indeed. Four wheels, armored and can have both M2 and MK19 mounted (and fire at the same time) in the floating turret. Very good vehicle, but what happens when an EFP rips through it and yo uhave to squeeze out of the hatches while wearing FBR? You get burned. Bad. Quick, very armored (more armor than the Stryker) and keeps as cool as a freezer. I guess it just depends on who you are (if you like this vehicle or not). If you're a little afraid of roling outside the wire then you'll love this thing. If you like to dismount and run down the enemy while throwing hot lead...then you'll dispise this thing.
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    Looks like it would be cool to drive. Especially since it has windows instead of periscopes.
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    It is fun. And pretty fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ando1250 View Post
    The M1117 (ASV-Armored Security Vehicle) is a fine vehicle indeed. Four wheels, armored and can have both M2 and MK19 mounted (and fire at the same time) in the floating turret. Very good vehicle, but what happens when an EFP rips through it and yo uhave to squeeze out of the hatches while wearing FBR? You get burned. Bad. Quick, very armored (more armor than the Stryker) and keeps as cool as a freezer. I guess it just depends on who you are (if you like this vehicle or not). If you're a little afraid of roling outside the wire then you'll love this thing. If you like to dismount and run down the enemy while throwing hot lead...then you'll dispise this thing.
    This exact same thing happened to my squad leader on September 2, 2007. We were outside of Baghdad and his ASV got hit with an efp. The command told us he died instantly so we wouldn't think about him burning to death inside but I will never know for sure. The efp entered right behind the TC seat and into the gunners leg. It was the biggest explosion I have ever seen. I have trouble remembering some parts of the night but it seemed like the truck was burned completely to where you so see through it like it was just a frame in a matter of minutes. Our LT. tried to pull him out but it was impossible with Ssg White wearing his body armor. The only thing with big enough openings for you to climb through with armor on was the MRAP we got 20 days before our tour was over.

    Just a week later we had an inexperienced driver flip an ASV over while speeding to block an intersection. When it flipped the turret just fell out of it crushing the gunner. So his family didn't even get the benefits of losing him to combat. In my opinion those vehicles needed a lot of work before being used over there. God Bless Ssg White and Pfc Phillips. We miss you guys.

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    With our C-IED training, you get to see some badly mucked up ASVs. With my rollover training, I almost couldnt breath upside with my vest on. EFPs which are rarely used in Afghanistan are a very bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshretired2012 View Post
    The only thing with big enough openings for you to climb through with armor on was the MRAP we got 20 days before our tour was over.
    ALL of our vehicles are a stone b*tch to climb in and out of in an IOTV with gear - and even worse when upside down or on their side.

    Just a week later we had an inexperienced driver flip an ASV over while speeding to block an intersection. When it flipped the turret just fell out of it crushing the gunner. So his family didn't even get the benefits of losing him to combat.
    I'm not sure there are any benefits of losing a family member to hostile fire over losing him in an accident. I'm not surprised an ASV turret detached from the vehicle in a rollover - that's a LOT of armor in a rotating mount, which is by definition weaker than the solid armor it's holding together. You have my sincere sympathies for the losses of your buddies - it never gets easy.
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    Our Battalion had tried making us wear IOTV's with the side plates on inside of our tanks during gunneries, but finally changed their minds saying it's a safety hazard in case there is a fire. It's a bastard to get out of those things with just the Nomex on.
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