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    Hello everyone! I hope I'm posting this in the right section, if not I apologize.
    My dream has always been to serve and I tried to join the Air Force right after graduating. Unfortunately, I didn't listen to my recruiters and keep my mouth shut at MEPS, so I got disqualified for having childhood asthma and being treated for ADHD until I was 13. My waiver was denied, and my recruiter told me I had a pretty good chance of with getting approved with the army. After giving it a few weeks of thought I've decided on going forth with the army because as I said before, it's really been my dream to serve.
    I tried to do some research on female experiences in the army, and didn't find pleasant results. Lots of stuff about being raped and harassed, and I'm more than aware rape and harassment can happen to women in every branch, however I didn't find this much on rape when researching the air force. I don't care about being harassed, I'm pretty tough skinned, but the heightened risk (if it is heightened) of being raped is kind of scary. Is this stuff exaggerated?
    Also, I know that the national guard is part of the army. Do they have the same standards as the army does? Being that the Air Force denied my waiver, if the army accepts it can I join the national guard? The national guard and navy were my second choices if the air force doesn't work out, but I'm pretty sure the navy won't take me and since the national guard and the army go hand and hand I figured why not.
    Are there any sites I can look at that offer honest opinions of female experiences in the army? Something that's not obviously biased, like the official website or the blog posts from girls who joined and got picked on.
    Thanks in advance!

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    As to waiver for asthma, I'm 99% sure that's a no-go. I appreciate the fact that you displayed integrity at MEPS, as opposed to what your Recruiter was telling you NOT to do. Asthma is a very serious issue for anyone, but even more so for the military. In the Army, we run. A lot. My Company runs about 15 to 20 miles a week. Average pace is 8:00 to 8:45. An asthmatic is simply not going to be able to do that. Add on sprints - often in full battle rattle, incorporating buddy carries, ammo carries, fuel carries, etc.

    I'm not aware of any statistics comparing assaults\harassment between the branches, but can tell you that sexual assault is NOT a common occurance in my Brigade. The Army has a program called SHARP (Sexual Harrassment\Assault Response Program) that's focused entirely on reducing and eliminating both sexual harassment and sexual assault. The Army as a whole has no tolerance for either crime.

    On the whole Air Force versus Army sexual assaults things, was just reading about this a few days ago:

    Air Force changes training structure after sex assault investigation – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
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    The only way you'll know if your eligible to enlist is to contact an Army/Army Reserve Recruiter & an Army National Guard Recruiter. The standards for enlistment are basically the same but might vary a little bit depending on how badly they need Soldiers. There are some medical conditions that cannot be waived, though.

    Rape is a problem in all of the services as it is in civilian life. It's just brought more to the spotlight when it happens in the Military. I don't think the reports are exaggerated but the liberal press will headline it more since they generally don't care much for the Armed Forces. I think it's just as likely to happen at a civilian job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by papachop View Post
    As to waiver for asthma, I'm 99% sure that's a no-go. I appreciate the fact that you displayed integrity at MEPS, as opposed to what your Recruiter was telling you NOT to do. Asthma is a very serious issue for anyone, but even more so for the military. In the Army, we run. A lot. My Company runs about 15 to 20 miles a week. Average pace is 8:00 to 8:45. An asthmatic is simply not going to be able to do that. Add on sprints - often in full battle rattle, incorporating buddy carries, ammo carries, fuel carries, etc.

    I'm not aware of any statistics comparing assaults\harassment between the branches, but can tell you that sexual assault is NOT a common occurance in my Brigade. The Army has a program called SHARP (Sexual Harrassment\Assault Response Program) that's focused entirely on reducing and eliminating both sexual harassment and sexual assault. The Army as a whole has no tolerance for either crime.

    On the whole Air Force versus Army sexual assaults things, was just reading about this a few days ago:

    Air Force changes training structure after sex assault investigation – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs
    Thank you for your reply! I'm aware that the asthma is a huge problem, however I haven't been treated for it since I was 12 and I can get doctors to attest to that. My asthma was never really a big issue to begin with, in fact all 3 of my brothers had it and all 3 of them grew out of it before they were 18. I was also sent to a 'boot camp' of sorts for at risk teens when I was 14 by my parents, and I completed it with no problems as far as my asthma. I know these tough love camp places don't stand up AT ALL to actual military training, but it is comparable and there was a lot of physical work. Besides my occasional attitude problem, I made it thru there with flying colors. I also ran track for 3 years in high school, and was a cheerleader my sophomore year. (cheerleading isn't demanding work but I thought I'd add that in there lol) I believe I am more than physically capable of meeting requirements I just feel I need to be given a chance.
    I also understand very much that the military is black and white with their rules and regulations, but this is something I really want so I refuse to give up until I've exhausted every option.

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    No problem at all - and props for your dedication.

    Like Top said, your best bet is to get in touch with an Army recruiter and see how things go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Glenn View Post
    The only way you'll know if your eligible to enlist is to contact an Army/Army Reserve Recruiter & an Army National Guard Recruiter. The standards for enlistment are basically the same but might vary a little bit depending on how badly they need Soldiers. There are some medical conditions that cannot be waived, though.

    Rape is a problem in all of the services as it is in civilian life. It's just brought more to the spotlight when it happens in the Military. I don't think the reports are exaggerated but the liberal press will headline it more since they generally don't care much for the Armed Forces. I think it's just as likely to happen at a civilian job.
    I apologize if I sound completely stupid, but army recruiters aren't national guard recruiters? The national guard has separate recruiters? I always thought they were the same. If this is the case, if I walk into a national guard recruitment office and tell them from the jump that I was denied by the air force, will they take my seriously or even try? I'm under the impression that if I ask my AF recruiter to pass my file along to his army buddies, that's what he was going to do. When I went into the recruitment center I didn't see anything for national guard, just AF, USMC, Navy, and army. Again, apologies if I sound stupid!

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    They're separate. While the National Guard is part of the Army, it functions pretty much independently in terms of administration.
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    Ah okay, thank you!

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    How will a more physical service let you join when another one did not? Your old recruiter needs to get with the times, the time of "oh we cant take you go join the Army" are GONE...now if you cant join the AF, chances are you cant join the Army either...specially for something like asthma and ADHD...now a ticket for like minor in consumption of alcohol, yeah I seen someone get DQ from AF and then I put them in the Army...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilgore23 View Post
    Edit by nchopp: There is just so much bad information in this post I'm deleting the whole thing. Get back in your lane.
    THank YOU!!
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