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    Army Calling for Female Volunteers for Ranger School | Military.com

    I posted this on another forum and some got offended by my remarks on the subject.

    People think war is a sport and and feel is the right time to put women in front line combat jobs (which is happening) and now the elite schools which is currently open to men (e.g. Ranger, SF). Just wait and see when combat reverts to mass assaults on force on force.

    I have seen women cause more of a detriment in combat due to not holding their own weight, pass STDs to male servicemembers (well Soldiers cannot go out to the ville like they did in 'Nam) and evacuated out of theatre due to pregnancy. All in the name of gender equality.

    Nobody has been crying foul of Marine Corps boot camp to finally integrate or professional sports but this because a few claimed that are not afforded their "civil rights". Then like to make comparisons to other countries when it fits their views. In Germany, its legal to have a sex with a minor that is 14 (their age of consent); and I guess those liberal views should be ok in this country as well.

    For pete's sake.

    Also, the ludicrous view if a woman can kick a man's butt should then qualify her for combat is such a weak argument. Just because a Soldier is a Soldier, does not mean he can perform well as an infantryman. Even infantrymen themselves.

    People need to use some common sense thinking instead of believing that we are not trying to "progress". Yea, talking on that subject of progress. I was in Korea in the 80s when I did not have to deal with a curfew but now in the 21st century, there is a curfew due to mass punishing servicemembers due to poor actions of the few.
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    My son stopped in front of my house this morning as he was on his way back to the district station to his patrol shift. He is thoroughly disgusted. Of all the Officers & Combat Arms Soldiers waiting to get into Ranger School & all the rest of the non-priority Soldiers next in line now they'll put a female in to fill slots just to be PC. How is that going to help our SpecOps readiness? How is that going to help our Airborne Troops? How is that going to help those in leg Infantry units?

    I have to agree wholeheartedly with you, Chief. Our combat readiness should be first & foremost the number 1 priority regardless if it's politically correct or not. It's the Military for cryin' out loud. Since when is our Military a microcosm of our society? It was never nor should it ever be. I have absolutely nothing against female Soldiers. They definitely have a place in our Army. But not in combat roles.

    I can't help but wonder how many females will pass RS. They better not lessen the requirements to pass to accomodate them. My son had to admit that the course was a real bear. This is after Infantry OSUT, Airborne School, RIP, unit training(which in itself is something to behold) & a combat deployment.

    I can relate a situation with the Milwaukee Fire Dept. when they started accepting female firefighters. None of the first to enter the Fire Academy passed. They liberal mayor was pissed. The requirements were lowered for the next class & those who failed the first class were recycled (only the females, though). About half failed again. The requirements were again lowered. Now we had a female Firefighter involved in an active fire. One of her male colleagues was unconscious & in need of rescue. She was the only one close enough to help & she failed miserably. She didn't have the strength to carry him out of danger. She had to leave him behind to save herself. He died. The requirements at the Academy were so low that the strength test was all but eliminated. We had lots of Firefighters quit rather than be assigned with any female losing a whole lot of experience in the process. My cousin related the story to me as he was in that same fire company & it was his best friend that died. He was fortunate to have enough seniority to be reassigned to an all male battalion. Ask him & the family of the fallen Firefighter if integration was a good idea.

    My philosophy is that anyone is welcome to fight alongside me regardless of gender if they can carry me to safety wounded & unconscious & in the middle of a firefight. All else stay out of it.
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    Thanks for responding. And that firefighter example made an excellent point. Yes, there are women firefighters but when it came down to something crucial as performing something that is so essential to saving lives; well look at that outcome.
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    I'm not sure that my city is still graduating females from the academy. If they allow them in I haven't noticed any working female firefighters. All of our Paramedics have to attend the academy as Firefighters & I haven't noticed any working the squads. That would possibly be a good place for them, but they'd have to be Firefighters first. They'd still have to be strong enough to pick up a victim or a gurney.
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    I saw the writing on the wall when they allowed Beer in the Day Room. One time while at Fort Campbell in the winter of 66 I had walking guard duty on the post and the sgt of the guard posted me at my assigned area and he pointed across the opposite side of the street and then told me not to cross that street under any circumstances, it was off limits to all males no matter who they might be, it was the WAC area barracks and a court martial offense to be caught across that street. They enforced it too ! You can imagine what this means to us old timers who are really disgusted with all these tyrants in DC who were responsible for the systematic destruction of a once great fighting force, all for a vote and no other reason. Women in the USA have no place in combat arms period., just simply be women and do the things that were once expected of them. It is demeaning and just plain rude to allow some of them to join just to make a point they can join. When the rounds come in most will feel a bit different, just look at the first Gulf war and that one woman that was captured. She never fired a shot from her weapon while being overwhelmed ..she was in a transportation unit so imagine them in an infantry unit. I'm glad I am old now and don't have to be subjected to the insult but I do wish the best for the young people that still want to join and do their best. Just put the women in a field that they are really effective but not combat arms
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    Nice to hear from you again! The site has been deader than dead lately.

    It's a fact that the Army isn't the same as the old days. Of course my military career ended in '66 (Navy) & started back up in '80 (Army). I saw many changes while I was in until retirement in '01. I know that it really went to hell during the Obama administration when the Military became a Social experiment. Now there are females going to Ranger School & females in Submarines. I have no problems with that but always have to wonder how that helps us prepare for war . The inclusion of separate heads (what the Navy calls latrines) on Submarines has to cost additional money that could be better spent on training & equipment.
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