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    Surprisingly no. Back in the day, a travelling team did bring the air assault school to Iraq when the 101st was there and the school was about 4 to 5 days. They omitted zero day, the ruck marches, other PT events; just the essentials.

    Many in my unit were made fun that their air assault wings were not really earned and they were called "desert" wings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ando1250 View Post
    Help! I need to know the latest on the Multicam uniform. I don't have any Army guys working with me and just had a Marine tell me that the Army is going to Multicam uniforms across the board (garrison and combat). Is this true? Please give me a reference. Thanks so much guys!
    Ando, I retract my statement because this article was out for 6 days already and just now it hit my inbox

    Army to Recommend MultiCam for Entire Force | Military.com

    After years of testing, Army uniform officials are planning to recommend that MultiCam should replace today's pixilated design as the official camouflage pattern the service issues to all soldiers, Military.com has learned.
    Made by Crye Precision LLC of Brooklyn, N.Y., MultiCam is the pattern that outperformed the service's Universal Camouflage Pattern, or UCP, to become the Army's pattern for soldiers deploying to Afghanistan. UCP was nonetheless adopted in 2004, but came under congressional scrutiny when soldiers complained about its poor performance in Afghanistan.
    Army uniform experts and scientists have been evaluating a handful of patterns that emerged from the service's exhaustive Phase IV camouflage improvement effort.
    Program Executive Office Soldier would not comment on future camouflage recommendations.
    "The Phase IV patterns are undergoing field trials and the data from those trials will be taken to Army senior leadership for review," said PEO Soldier spokeswoman Debi Dawson in a June 28 "media alert." "This will be followed by a cost-benefit analysis to determine if the Army will adopt a new camouflage pattern."

    But officials running the camouflage effort are now looking at two options to recommend to the service's senior leadership this fall.
    One option would be to make MultiCam the Army's official camouflage pattern, sources tell Military.com.
    The second option would be to make MultiCam the service's pattern for garrison and general deployment use, but also to have a family of approved camouflage patterns that could be issued for specific areas of the world.
    Earlier this week, UCP came under fire again in a story by The Daily, an online news site, which quoted several Army scientists from Natick Soldier Systems Center, Mass., alleging that the Army selected UCP long before testing was complete.

    It was the first time Natick officials have publically pointed the finger at PEO Soldier and Army leaders, charging that UCP cost taxpayers billions in uniforms and matching body armor, backpacks and other equipment.
    Congressional officials said they were surprised to see Natick scientists quoted directly questioning the Army's decision to adopt the pattern.
    "This is the first time I have seen or heard that," said one staffer in the office of Senate Armed Service Committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin. "Obviously, we are very concerned about this."
    But criticism of the UCP is nothing new. In fact, two Natick studies – one completed in 2009 and the other in 2006, showed that MultiCam outperformed UCP in multiple environments.
    Then in June 2009, Pennsylvania's Democratic Rep. John Murtha, who was then chairman of the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense, got involved in camouflage issue. Murtha pushed the service to look for a better camouflage pattern after receiving complaints from sergeants about the UCP's poor performance in the war zone. Murtha died in 2010, but his directive prompted the Army to launch a multi-phase camouflage effort. Many patterns were evaluated in Afghanistan, but MultiCam was the clear winner for the country's multi-terrain environment.
    Earlier this year, the Army awarded contracts to four vendors to make camouflage-patterned material for uniforms and equipment as a result of Phase IV of the service's camouflage improvement effort.
    In addition to Crye Precision, ADS, Inc., teamed with Hyperstealth, Inc., of Virginia Beach, Va.; Brookwood Companies, Inc of New York; and Kryptek, Inc. of Fairbanks, Alaska were chosen.
    In March, the Army decided to drop the fifth finalist -- which was a government pattern developed at Natick. The pattern was too similar to one of the industry submissions, which scored higher in the initial evaluation, uniform officials said.
    Natick officials would not release details of its pattern, but experts say it was likely from the Scorpion effort, a pattern developed by Crye Precision that was very similar to MultiCam. So far Crye officials have refused to reveal details about the pattern selected for Army evaluation.
    Each finalist submitted a family of camouflage patterns for desert, woodland, and transitional along with a single coordinated pattern for individual equipment such as body armor and load-bearing gear so soldiers wouldn't have to change their kit from one environment to the next.
    It's still unclear whether soldier body armor and other equipment will be produced and fielded in a specific camouflage pattern or a solid color such as "coyote brown," a color that the Marine Corps adopted for all of its individual equipment.
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    Also, the other day, I was given a coyote brown assault pack and many soldiers been walking around with those instead of the multi-cam issue. I think a change is coming soon. I am not going to order any ACU pattern from ADO while deployed.
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    So much for these sew-on ACU pattern EIB patches I got. *throws in trash*
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    two dollars plus ten for shipping and handling lol
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    How long was the transition from when the Army decided ACU's til you guys got them? Did you get a few pairs issued or you had to buy them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CWO Sharkey View Post
    At least there is a school in Korea.
    Other than schools like armorer, the only school here is WLC. Korea USED to have an Air Assault school here on my post, the tower is still there, but it was done away with. Once the school left my Battalion supposedly kept some spots open for guys to attend the course at Campbell. But I guess not anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angriff View Post
    How long was the transition from when the Army decided ACU's til you guys got them? Did you get a few pairs issued or you had to buy them?
    That was my question. Officers don't get a uniform allowance, so suddenly springing for 3-4 sets of Multicams would suck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angriff View Post
    How long was the transition from when the Army decided ACU's til you guys got them? Did you get a few pairs issued or you had to buy them?
    I was at Fort Campbell when they were doing the field testing. This was late 2004/2005. Since I was deploying in 2005, I received free issue from CIF but our OCIE was still out of whack.

    And then downrange, we received more free issue like I am getting now.

    I believe the first set will be free and they will be a wear-out date for the current UCP. Remember when people were wearing the old BDUs with the new tan boots?

    Here is the mismatch

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