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    Cracking down

    Army will purge soldiers who fail APFT, weight standards

    By Lance M. Bacon

    lbacon@militarytimes.com

    The Army is trimming the fat.

    Beginning Nov. 1, soldiers attending Professional Military Education must pass the Army Physical Fitness Test and meet height/weight standards. Those who fail will be given a second chance within seven to 24 days. Soldiers who fail a second time will be: ■ Ineligible for re-enlistment and promotion.

    ■ Booted from the course.

    ■ Subject of a letter to the first general in their chain of com*mand.

    ■ Identified as a course failure on DA Form 1059.

    ■ Banned from PME for six months. If a soldier fails again, he will be banned for a year.

    The new rules are contained in Army Directive 2012-20.

    Army leadership for the past year has repeated the warning that unfit soldiers would be among the first to face the ax as the ser*vice begins to cut 80,000 soldiers over the next five years. Officials are unapologetic in their plans to retain only those soldiers with the greatest potential.

    As operations diminish, the Army is recommitting itself to retaining and promoting soldiers who are fit to fight and project a professional appearance.

    “This is about the Army profes*sion,” said Command Sgt. Maj. Daniel Dailey, command sergeant major of Training and Doctrine Command. “TRADOC led a study of our profession over the last year and a half, and we consistently heard from soldiers that the Army must enforce the standard at all times — not just when it’s conve*nient. This policy change is a big step forward for the profession.” Brig. Gen. Todd McCaffrey, director of Army Training, was more to the point.

    “In 2007, when the Army was fighting two simultaneous conflicts, we instituted a physical fitness waiver for institutional training courses … regardless of temporary fitness issues or post-deploy*ment recovery and reset cycles,” he said. “We accepted this risk, rather than send an untrained or unschooled soldier back to their units.” With the war winding down, he said the Army enforce standards at the unit level and require soldiers attending PME to meet Army Phys*ical Fitness Test and Height/Weight standards for graduation.

    That same focus was in force in the decade following the 1991 Per*sian Gulf War. Nearly 20,000 sol*diers were discharged from 1992 to 2001 for failing to meet weight standards, according to the 2009 Military Services Fitness Data*base report.

    It is not clear how many soldiers will be affected by the new rules, but the pickings are anything but slim. More than one-third of sol*diers do not meet height/weight standards, according to a 2009 report, “Military Services Fitness Database: Development of a Com*puterized Physical Fitness and Weight Management Database for the U.S. Army.” “PT may not be the most impor*tant thing a soldier does in a day, but it is the most important thing a soldier does every day,” Dailey said.

    Targeting misconduct

    Fat and unfit soldiers are not the only ones in jeopardy.

    Soldiers with patterns of miscon*duct will not be retained, top lead*ers have said. This includes 4,877 soldiers who have committed mul*tiple felonies while on active duty.

    The Army also is taking a hard look at 78,262 criminal offenses committed by active-duty soldiers in fiscal 2011 — specifically, the 2,811 violent felonies and 28,289 nonviolent felonies.

    Roughly 13,800 junior soldiers (E-1 to E-4) were responsible for 68 percent of violent felonies and 78 percent of nonviolent felonies. Noncommissioned officers (E-5 to E-6) committed 24 percent of vio*lent felonies and 16 percent of nonviolent felonies.

    Together, those two groups were responsible for 90 percent of crimes committed by soldiers. □
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    Thousands of soldiers to be slashed from selection lists


    By Jim Tice

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    The Army will soon conduct an unprecedented quality purge of the standing promotion selection lists for sergeant and staff sergeant, an action that could result in 27 percent of promotable specialists, corporals and sergeants losing their (P) pro*motable status.

    The move, part of an Army-wide effort to sort out less-than-desirable soldiers, is designed to prepare the force for a personnel drawdown that begins next year.

    Many of those who will be purged from the selection lists could be in danger of bumping up against the Army’s “up or out” promotion poli*cies and the tenure rules for their grade.

    A specialist must be selected for sergeant by eight years in service, and can stay as long as 12 years once selected for promotion.

    Hence, a nine-year corporal/ specialist whose selection for promo*tion is removed could be involuntari*ly separated. The same goes for a sergeant with 14 years. While select*ed for promotion, he can stay as long as 15 years; if he’s taken off the list, he, too, is in jeopardy.

    As of late September, there were 14,343 specialists and corporals on the active-component standing list for promotion to sergeant, and 15,475 sergeants on the list for staff sergeant.

    More than 8,000 of those soldiers should not be on the lists because they have failed the physical fitness test, are overweight or have been barred from re-enlisting, according to information released Sept. 26 by Human Resources Command.

    Also ineligible for promotion are soldiers whose physical training scores are more than a year old, and soldiers whose records have been flagged because they are under suspension of favorable personnel action.

    A soldier who is keeping track of his records in the My Records Por*tal can find out if his record con*tains one of the 21 impediments to promo*tion named by the Army.

    If a soldier believes his record is incorrect, he can ask his chain of com*mand to fix the record.

    But he must do so before Oct. 9.

    The Army will purge the selection lists of ineligibles around Oct. 11, according to HRC.

    Flag codes and re-enlistment pro*hibition codes are entered on the Enlisted Record Brief, as well as the automated Enlisted Distribu*tion Assignment System.

    If a soldier’s records are improperly coded, career counselors and battal*ion, brigade and organizational per*sonnel sections should remove the codes no later than Oct. 9, according to MilPer Message 12-309, dated Sept. 26.

    Local personnel offi*cials also have been instructed to update, if appropriate, a soldier’s latest PT score if the record erroneously indi*cates the score is older than 365 days. PT score updates must be completed by Oct. 9.

    Soldiers who are taken off of a selection list because of chain of command inaction to remove an erroneous flag or re-enlistment pro*hibition code, must be reboarded to regain promotion eligibility, accord*ing to HRC.

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    Soldiers aren’t eligible to be on the standing selection lists for promotion to sergeant or staff sergeant if their records reflect one of these factors for “immediate re-enlistment prohibition.” The soldiers will be administratively removed from the lists on or about Oct. 11.

    1. Lost time 2. Adverse action (flag codes A, U and V).

    3. Denied retention by SA-commander quality.

    4. Pending security clearance determination.

    5. Physical readiness.

    6. Nonpromotable status.

    7. Involuntary separation under the Qualitative Service Program (QSP).

    8. Field bar to re-enlistment — a denial of re-enlistment imposed

    below Headquarters, Depart*ment of the Army.

    9. Involuntary separation under the Qualitative Management Program (QMP).

    10. Approved retirement under QMP.

    11. Courts-martial conviction.

    12. Age-restricted from retention due to maximum age limitations.

    13. Loss of qualification in primary military occupational specialty.

    14. Declination of continued service statement — refusal to take action to meet length of service requirement.

    15. Conscientious objector (except for career management field 68).

    16. Approved involuntary separation.

    17. Approved retirement under the QSP.

    18. Pending separation.

    19. Not eligible due to staff sergeant NCO Evaluation Report/NCO Education System eligibility requirements.

    20. Retirement — application for retirement has been approved.

    21. Weight — does not meet acceptable weight standards.
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    If I'm reading this correctly, then this is nothing new - these individuals should already have been removed from the list and HRC is simply scrubbing the lists for those erroneuously listed.

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    That was the impression I had too, Sir.
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    It is just going back to pre-2002 requirements for NCOES.
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