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    I have achieved my dream. I am free. How can you complain about a country you don't live in anymore. You don't seem to want a discussion, you are just picking apart what we post. It took the US nearly 200 years to get our country where it is. It doesn't happen overnight. We had the French helping us the whole time. I don't really understand why you think I am upset. You admitted to using other websites to try and piss of Americans. That is why I don't understand why you are in this forum. As a person who doesn't participate in the government of Iraq or even live within it's borders I find it hard to take your complaints seriously. You have yet to acknowledge that your country has committed atrocities of it's own. The government of Iraq under Saddam Hussien contracted Chinese workers to build a prison in Baghdad underneath the Iraqi Intelligence Service Headquarters building. Upon completing the workers were imprisoned in the prison they had just built. They all were held until their natural death or until they were killed. I have read the writings of these dead laborers on the walls of this prison. Is this another example of the security you referred to under the rule of Saddam Hussien? The death of innocent laborers?
    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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    Lock and ban please, Moderators. Don't feed the trolls!
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    >>I have achieved my dream. I am free. How can you complain about a country you don't live in anymore

    First off, that "country" is MY country, for some personal reasons (that is not your business) i went outside of iraq just 37 days ago, and i will back again in May. dont ever think that i will leave my lovely country for a bunch of robbers like you (i will pay some respect when you do, but for now, i will talk the same way you are talking).

    >>You don't seem to want a discussion,

    I want that, and thats what i stated in my first post. and thats why i am here.

    >>you are just picking apart what we post.

    I am just answering what you are posting, thats the standard way of discussion, you can do the same.

    >>It took the US nearly 200 years to get our country where it is.

    Our country have more than 5,000+ history, How much your country have? 400? lol

    >>It doesn't happen overnight.

    Thats not my business. you are talking completely out of topic.

    >>We had the French helping us the whole time.

    Alliance of thieves. not just France, UK, Australia, and other shit countries. thats why its called US, without these countries you are nothing, Who built your country? bunch of British in 1776,

    What was your country originally? a British colony.

    Who manage and operate your country economy? a bunch of Zionism-Jewish that came from Middle east/Israel and even Iran (Isfahan City).

    You may ask, what the hell is Isfahan? its the city where the current vic-president of Israel born (see wikipedia to confirm).

    What does your "country" have? what Americans did for their country? absolutely nothing, you always depends on foreigners, they are who built your country. even the current president of united states is a BLACK man from Kenya (Africa) who were a Muslim lol

    Who changed his name from Baraka Abu Omama, to Barak Obama, with last name of Hussein, which is the last name of President Saddam.

    Even the art, MOST art starts are not Americans, like Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, they are Italians.

    What Americans offered to America?

    I respect the countries with History, Such United Kingdom, even if they are against us, i do respect their history.

    What does your country have? give me some history?

    >>I don't really understand why you think I am upset.

    Because you did proved that by using those hateful words against me and the iraq people.

    >>You admitted to using other websites to try and piss of Americans.

    Only Americans like you (and i did said that), who are racial. I do have a lot of American friends on the internet, i love them, even that their government is dirty, does not mean the people are dirty too. the real Americans are great people.

    >>You have yet to acknowledge that your country has committed atrocities of it's own.

    Not really. Against the Iraqi people who are helping the enemy.

    >>The government of Iraq under Saddam Hussein contracted Chinese workers to build a prison in Baghdad underneath the Iraqi Intelligence Service Headquarters building.

    The government work in favor of the people and the national security, they are free to determent where the prison should be build.

    As for the prison, Every country in the world have prisons in it, for e.g. United States have Guantanamo (Notorious prison), and the biggest prison in the world, and of course the other local prisons.

    >>Upon completing the workers were imprisoned in the prison they had just built

    Beautiful and impressive story. Why should Saddam use "Chines" workers to build the prison? are we iraqis dead?

    Are you Americans use these well-written stories to make a dictator of Saddam? to find a way to justify your invasion of Iraq?

    Say these stories to the rest of world, who do not know anything about Saddam, and can believe your stories, not us, Iraqis. we know Saddam more than our father.

    >>They all were held until their natural death or until they were killed.

    Yep. in your mind.

    >>I have read the writings of these dead laborers on the walls of this prison.

    Really? can you show us some proofs please? like some pics of these "walls" etc.

    And if Saddam were a dictator like that, do you think he will allow them to share their stories on the walls? lol you a look funny guy.

    >> Lock and ban please, Moderators. Don't feed the trolls!

    Grunt Medic TXARNG, the way you were writing me in your last posts was so respectful, and i have been so respectful with you too and i were not expecting you to post me such response. Just because you dont have an answer and you feel like you have been failed in this Open-discussion, does mean you need to be disrespectful and cuss me by calling me a troll, and asking the moderator to "ban" me. you just proved that you are racial and you hate me.

    I am sorry, but you have failed in this discussion.

    However, I still respect you. and i still wish you all the success.

    - Ahmad

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad View Post

    Our country have more than 5,000+ history, How much your country have? 400? lol

    What does your country have? give me some history?
    Well realize that the United States was in the forefront of inventing the internet which gives you a forum to express your opinions. Also, in our 200+ years of history, we have outpaced your 5000 years of existence.

    Anyway, we are human beings and we are more alike than different.

    Again, you are venting your anger and opinions at the wrong group. Go write to President Obama. He would love to hear your concerns.
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    Looks like there is no need to continue this conversation as it is from two very different and biased perspectives. I wish we could have this conversation in person but I doubt that will ever happen. Good luck with your life. Hopefully your country will be prosperous again en 'shallah.
    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
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    No problem Chief, We are who discovered that the earth planet is circular, and not flat as European were thinking.

    The reason i continued this discussion is that i find some of you somehow interested to continue this by posting responses.

    I'll write to your president, when you get an american-president.

    Desert_Rat, it was a pleasure talking to you. anytime if you back to Iraq, just shoot me a PM, i will be happy to invite you to my house to complete this discussion with you. wish you all the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahmad View Post
    Grunt Medic TXARNG, the way you were writing me in your last posts was so respectful, and i have been so respectful with you too and i were not expecting you to post me such response. Just because you dont have an answer and you feel like you have been failed in this Open-discussion, does mean you need to be disrespectful and cuss me by calling me a troll, and asking the moderator to "ban" me. you just proved that you are racial and you hate me.

    I am sorry, but you have failed in this discussion.

    However, I still respect you. and i still wish you all the success.

    - Ahmad
    I hate no one, and I am neither 'racial' nor racist. As a US Soldier who has served in Iraq with Iraqis, I have a HUGE amount of respect for the Iraqi people, their culture and history. I just hope that in the future people like you and me can put aside our differences and build a better world. I thank you for having the courage to open a discussion on this forum, where you knew you were unlikely to be welcome.

    Insha'Allah, we will be able to recognize we are all brothers in God's eyes.
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    Another one bites the dust....
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