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    I'm surprised no one has touched on the subject as of yet but what do you all think of the looming political attempts to re-institute an assault weapons ban and enact other gun restrictions in light of the Connecticut shooting? I really don't think guns are the problem--if someone has the intent to kill, secondary to mental/psychological deficiency or murderous motives, they will do so whether its with guns, knives/axes as we've seen recently in China, or a can of gasoline and some matches.

    I've seen a lot of panic-buying around here in response to congressional statements of intents to restrict gun sales. Stores and websites such as Cheaper Than Dirt - America's Ultimate Shooting Sports Discounter, Wal-Mart, and Dick's Sporting Goods have even greatly reduced or completely eliminated firearm sales. What do you all think the political climate will be like in early 2013 when most of these bills will be pushed through congress? If you support gun rights and do not want any restrictions on firearm possessions/sales, I strongly encourage you to join the NRA. They're the only lobby group for gun rights after all.
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    The two sides of this argument are each offering undeniably logical solutions. One side is suggesting we enforce strict control on firearms to limit an aspiring criminal's ability to acquire weapons. The other side suggests we put armed security or police in every school as an effective line of defense against active shooters. Neither is incorrect, and the suggestions aren't mutually exclusive. So why don't we do both?

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    I understand the liberal's posture due to mass killings with guns. Taking children's lives is unbearable and it easy to conceive that wiping out our 2nd Amendment will solve the problem but it will not. Also, banning automatic assault weapons will not stop a lunatic from doing harm. And also, just tacking it from a mental issue perspective is not going to do anything as well. I grew up in New York City where the bad guys had the guns all of the time and nobody never really did serious time when caught with one nor making it hard to buy a gun or to get a ccw solve the issue of people obtaining guns.

    Yes, better controls need to be implemented and sometimes in this day and age of computer technology; I cannot believe we cannot solve that nor voting issues.

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    A strong argument against gun control is the fact that 12,000 souls have been lost to drunken drivers in the US last year, many of them children yet nobody is talking about banning cars or alcoholic beverages. There are laws on the books against drunken driving & controls on alcohol but that doesn't stop anyone from using both in an illegal activity. There are even stronger laws against illegal drugs & those haven't done anything. If drugs can be illegally gotten I'm sure that smuggling & selling guns if they become illegal won't be stopped, either.

    Limit the capacity of magazines? A few states have set the limit to 10 rounds. Carry 3 additional mags & now you have 30 +1 in the chamber. With even a little practice mag changes can be done in seconds. Ban the sales of semi-auto firearms? I've seen people shoot with a bolt action or pump action rifle very fast, again with practice. Revolvers with only five or six rounds? I've seen my neighbor, a retired police office load his 5 shooter very rapidly with speed loaders. He practices & usually carries 4 or 5 speedloaders. Assault rifles? Nothing more than a hunting rifle with a pistol grip & a flash hider. Teens with firearms? Already against the law yet I know of at least a half dozen punks close to my neighborhood that carry. One is as young as 15. He's now wanted for shooting up a house a block from me. Drug deal (also illegal) gone wrong. How many more laws could have stopped that? Illegal firearms can be bought or rented on many urban street corners.

    People always feel that "something must be done" but they have no concept of firearms & what makes them tick. They only know they're "evil". The first thing they want to do is make more laws. All the laws on the books about firearms can & are broken. And how about the law against murder? How is that working out? Criminals don't obey the law. Good guys do & they always seem to be the ones punished when "something should be done".
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    I had to write an argumentative paper last semester and chose this topic. We could only use the databases provided by the school which are VERY liberal. I did finally dig up an article on a shooting in Germany. (Germany has some of the most strict gun laws in the world) A kid in high school was expelled; then returned later with some kind of pistol and a shotgun to kill 17 people before kill himself. A kid living in a country with some of the hardest gun laws found two guns and enough ammo to do that much damage. (I doubt he pulled the trigger only 17 times) It seems if someone wants a gun then they will get a gun. I found some other articles too. I talked to a chairman from the NRA he says, and I agree, with our culture we cannot have strict gun laws. He says it takes a person with a gun to stop a person with a gun. It makes sense to me. I don't make to try my luck with throwing knives and a bow/arrows yet. There is also speculation that with American citizens unarmed then politicians would be able to push the boundaries of the constitution farther and farther until it's too skewed to recognize the original.
    It reminds me of an old biology experiment that was banned because it was deemed too cruel for high school students. A teacher would take one frog and throw it into a pot of boiling water. The frog would jump out, no harm done. The same frog, when put into a pot with room-temp water, would stay as the water was slowly raised to a boil then die from "natural" causes. This was told to us by a teacher of mine a few semesters ago and a kid blurted out that's what's happening to the US.
    Anyway it looks like with the weapons out of Americans hands the pot could be brought to a boil quicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Glenn View Post
    A strong argument against gun control is the fact that 12,000 souls have been lost to drunken drivers in the US last year, many of them children yet nobody is talking about banning cars or alcoholic beverages. There are laws on the books against drunken driving & controls on alcohol but that doesn't stop anyone from using both in an illegal activity. There are even stronger laws against illegal drugs & those haven't done anything. If drugs can be illegally gotten I'm sure that smuggling & selling guns if they become illegal won't be stopped, either.

    Limit the capacity of magazines? A few states have set the limit to 10 rounds. Carry 3 additional mags & now you have 30 +1 in the chamber. With even a little practice mag changes can be done in seconds. Ban the sales of semi-auto firearms? I've seen people shoot with a bolt action or pump action rifle very fast, again with practice. Revolvers with only five or six rounds? I've seen my neighbor, a retired police office load his 5 shooter very rapidly with speed loaders. He practices & usually carries 4 or 5 speedloaders. Assault rifles? Nothing more than a hunting rifle with a pistol grip & a flash hider. Teens with firearms? Already against the law yet I know of at least a half dozen punks close to my neighborhood that carry. One is as young as 15. He's now wanted for shooting up a house a block from me. Drug deal (also illegal) gone wrong. How many more laws could have stopped that? Illegal firearms can be bought or rented on many urban street corners.

    People always feel that "something must be done" but they have no concept of firearms & what makes them tick. They only know they're "evil". The first thing they want to do is make more laws. All the laws on the books about firearms can & are broken. And how about the law against murder? How is that working out? Criminals don't obey the law. Good guys do & they always seem to be the ones punished when "something should be done".
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    Thanks Chief. I hope you had a nice Christmas & hope that the New Year will be better for you & for everybody, myself included. As my dollars dwindle die to higher costs & my pension & Army retired checks stay the same I'm hurting. I've been looking for a security job, armed preferably, but I'm not having much luck. IF the state of WI lifts the ban on guns at school or IF I can get authorized to pack one there I've volunteered to act as an armed guard at our Christian school where my grandson is in the 8th grade. Hopefully there'll be a little money for that but if not I'll still do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSG Glenn View Post
    A strong argument against gun control is the fact that 12,000 souls have been lost to drunken drivers in the US last year, many of them children yet nobody is talking about banning cars or alcoholic beverages. There are laws on the books against drunken driving & controls on alcohol but that doesn't stop anyone from using both in an illegal activity. There are even stronger laws against illegal drugs & those haven't done anything. If drugs can be illegally gotten I'm sure that smuggling & selling guns if they become illegal won't be stopped, either.

    Limit the capacity of magazines? A few states have set the limit to 10 rounds. Carry 3 additional mags & now you have 30 +1 in the chamber. With even a little practice mag changes can be done in seconds. Ban the sales of semi-auto firearms? I've seen people shoot with a bolt action or pump action rifle very fast, again with practice. Revolvers with only five or six rounds? I've seen my neighbor, a retired police office load his 5 shooter very rapidly with speed loaders. He practices & usually carries 4 or 5 speedloaders. Assault rifles? Nothing more than a hunting rifle with a pistol grip & a flash hider. Teens with firearms? Already against the law yet I know of at least a half dozen punks close to my neighborhood that carry. One is as young as 15. He's now wanted for shooting up a house a block from me. Drug deal (also illegal) gone wrong. How many more laws could have stopped that? Illegal firearms can be bought or rented on many urban street corners.

    People always feel that "something must be done" but they have no concept of firearms & what makes them tick. They only know they're "evil". The first thing they want to do is make more laws. All the laws on the books about firearms can & are broken. And how about the law against murder? How is that working out? Criminals don't obey the law. Good guys do & they always seem to be the ones punished when "something should be done".
    What pains me is that they need only look at places like NYC, Chicago, Washington DC (right out their own back door!), and the like to realize that the "do something" direction they've selected repeatedly fails. I'm all for re-evaluating the situation and seeing how to make it better, but what does it say when you keep whacking a screw with a hammer?

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    I guess we have to ban subway trains now. For the second time someone has been deliberately pushed under one.
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    I am conservative to the bone when it comes to preserving the fundamental liberties that we have been defending for so long. However, the 2nd amendment has always struck me as an anomaly, as it appears to have been created to protect people from the very specific conditions of that time, specifically, protection from tyrannical governments. This contradicts the commonly known fact that the constitution was made to adapt to an ever-changing world. I believe, with great conviction, that this law is now obsolete, and that the only citizens who "need" to posses firearms are those who voluntarily serve in the military or law enforcement to provide for the defense of the nation. Instead of having a general distrust of the population by saying "I need guns to defend myself," we should strive to eliminate or greatly reduce crime through better-trained and capable police, and boost our education system in the WHOLE country to raise children into adults who need not resort to crime to make a living. I am not suggesting a ban on guns, but strict regulations, I feel, are appropriate.
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