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    Hi there! I'm looking for advise from the seasoned soldiers here. My son is De-ploying in a few monthe, his second tour overseas. The unit is giving Pre-Dep. leave, however he just found out that it's TOO LATE to put in for it! He had been asking the last couple of months when the leaves would be scheduled, whether or not it would be a block leave, etc. He kept getting the answer that they weren't sure when it would be, or if it would be a block leave, or individual. He finally found out that it would be an individual leave & that he could put in for it at the end of July. He went to do just that on Friday. He was told that the request was do 2wks prior & not to bother putting in the paperwork; it'll ge denied! This was by one of his sargeants. A different one had told him to wait until the end of July, or he would have done it sooner. He's stationed only 5 Hrs. away from here, and going off to war again! Why can't he still put in for Pre-Deployment leave? He had planned on taking a week at the end of August to come home, see family, and bring belongings & his car. He also planned on taking 2X4Days; 1- in Sept.l & 1-in Oct. His Best friend (they're like brothers) is getting Married on October 10th & the Bachelor Party is around Sept 24th. He's supposed to be IN the Wedding Party & is Devasted!! His NCO"S have known about the upcoming wedding since he got to this Base back in January 2010. They told him back then to try and work his leaves out this way. What Happened?!!! Can something be done?! I'm sitting here knowing I might not get to say good-bye to Him!!!

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    He needs to listen to one and only one Sergeant - his immediate supervisor. And he needs to share his desire to come home to visit before deploying with that individual - and to submit his leave request TOMORROW. If that leave is denied, I recommend you ask him for his First Sergeant's phone number and then share the above with the 1SG - but have the names of each of the Sergeants who were involved handy. Top will fix it, or explain to you why it cannot be fixed. There is most likely more to the story than the few details you've listed. Good luck, Mom!
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    My son said that the two E-5's told he to put in for it, that he'd get it; It is his E-6 who told him that she would kick it back! I also know that he has plenty of his own leave saved that he is entitled to take. My son is an E-4. He's very upset over this and so am I. I'm also not sure he'd give me his Sargeant name & number. They deploy in mid to end of Oct. 2010.

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    Well, if he doesn't want your help he shouldn't be venting his problems to you. I can tell you that when a concerned parent contacts a unit's leadership, the issue quickly gets Command level attention. I wish your son well.
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    He should work it out with the chain of command first. The chain of command does not stop at his squad leader. He has a Platon SGT and also a PLT LDR if those two cannot resolve the issue then he has the CDR to go to.

    Correct procedure to follow for the chain of command
    Team ldr Done
    Squad LDR I am assuming is the SSG female mentioned
    PLT SGT Usually an E-7 but can be that SSG that he already talked to
    PLT LDR a LT or CPT He needs to approach him/her and explain the situation after talking with all above
    Company CDR at this level he will then have an official statement of what will really happen with his leave.

    Most people will include the First SGT in on the chain of command but they are not part of it. He can go through these steps I typed here and he should not get into any trouble.

    However what the DOC said is very true. If you call the unit CDR and/or First SGT they will give inmediate attention to this.


    I got a feeling there is much more to this story than what your son has told you, but that is just me reading here. I may be wrong but if that is not the whole story, perhaps the reason he wants you out of it for now.

    Also the SSG cannot kick anything back. All she can do is mark do not recommend and explain to the CDR why she does not recommend to approve leave. The only one who can approve and disapprove leave is the CDR.

    Remember leave is an ENTITLEMENT and not a priviledge.
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    A#1mom, I received your PM but the responses by the seasoned soldiers here have been very thorough. Its kind of weird that a unit that is set to deploying will not have block leave but nevertheless; leave is leave. Also, if his leave paperwork is submitted 30 days in advanced of his leave dates; then I dont know what is the problem.

    But honestly, I dont know the unit's training schedule prior to deployment. Probably there are some exercises that he needs to take part of and all the admin stuff needed to be submitted by a certain date but still doesnt make sense. Also, why wasn't he informed of the first suspense date and why he didnt submit it on time.

    Like my fellow Chief said, there is perhaps more to the story and I will call the 1SG as a last resort. Let the soldier work with his chain of command first. He needs to talk to the platoon sergeant and platoon leader before seeing Top. Top would ask the soldier if he talked to those individuals first before it got to him and then the Commander.
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    Thanks everyone for the information & advise. I'll pass along all of your suggestions, and I'll remember that my son is a grown man, and needs to take care of this himself. He does know what to do and should by now know when to do it!! ---- A#1Mom

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    I hope he gets it worked out. We mom's have to prepare for our son's to deploy, just like they have to prepare themselves. Part of that is seeing their face and lecturing them to be careful one more time.

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    Thanks for the support txmom42! As Chief said there is more to the story. I found out from my son that he wanted to split-up his pre-deployment leave. He would've taken 10days at the end of this month; then 3-4 days mid Sept for the Tux fitting & Bachelor Party; the last 3-4 Days in Oct. for the Wedding. Apparently there are 3 reasons this isn't possible according to the Platoon SGT. 1- They can't split up Predeployment Leave,; 2- my son's paperwork was too late; 3- the Wedding is too close to the deployment date? My son has enough leave-time of his own saved to take the Sept & Oct from that, but he's decided to not take any leave, because He's angry! I hate to say I'm angry about his decision! I guess it never does get easier! I am most likely going to have to visit him myself, it's only about 5-6 Hours to his base. I know he'd be extremely upset with me if I tried to speak to one of his commanders to see if they could do at least part of it his way & of course he could just put in for the Pre-deploment Leave like everyone else & reconcile to the fact that he's going to miss the Wedding! It's his decision! Sorry if this is too wordy, as I said I'm upset with my son, but now isn't the time to argue with him, not this close to deploying!

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    I completely understand. My son was very frustrated when he found out he wasn't going to get any leave before he deployed. He was hoping to come home and see his daughter and the rest of the family before he shipped out. It wasn't meant to be. He also would be very angry if I stepped in and tried to help. We had a situation last week when he got hurt and I couldn't get any information. I finally got on his facebook, found his squad leader and sent him a message. He was great! He filled me in and told me what the plan was and put my mind at ease saying he was fine and in a good frame of mind. Son was a little perturbed I went to him, but hey, a moms' gotta do what a mom's gotta do. I am glad you are close enough to go see him before he leaves.

    I also understand being upset with him. This may make you feel better, at least yours didn't marry a girl you had never met after dating her for 2 months! He declined his Christmas leave and chose to stay on base instead of come home. Angry! He met the girl during this time and by Feb 28th they were married. I've met her since, she is very nice, I just never saw it coming. No, she wasn't pregnant. They were just in love and wanted to marry and have her settled before he deployed again. This from a boy who "found his soul mate" at least 3 times when he was in high school. I do have to say, she's hanging in there better than I thought she would

    Hang in there!

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