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    A member PM'd me a question in regards to a DA 4856-R Army Counselling Form. I am placing this in the training section since this will be somewhat educational for most of you.

    All new and young soldiers alike will at some point in their career be a leader so this will help you all out. Also if you learn to use this form it will be one less task to learn during your NCOES's. (Schools)

    The DA 4856-R is utilized as a training/ educational tool. Most NCO's/ Leaders use it "Negatively" or "As Required" for their soldiers individual or event oriented Negative counselling. Ie; you get in trouble and it is discussed utilizing this form, or your quarterly evaluation to inform you how you are doing. Most NCO's/ Leaders are merely checking a block when utilizing this form.

    Only the best NCO's/ Leaders will carry a blank 4856-R in their pocket to do an "On the Spot" possitive counselling. Using it in this matter will help with soldier morale. If you see a soldier do something that is above what is called for try using this form where everyone can see (not hear since you should still pull the soldier to the side, but let the rest of the soldiers see what you are doing). Later on you can address the possitive attributes of the soldier during your final formation/ meeting. This will encourage other soldiers to strive to do their best. Do not give it out like water, only in limited situations.

    Remember this when it comes to using the DA 4856-R.... Criticize/ Repremand in private, Praise in public.

    Below is a link to a great site that can provide leaders with instructions/ samples of the form.

    http://www.armycounselingonline.com/...ling-form.html
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    Good stuff. Remember all new soldiers (especially regular army ones); will receive an initial counseling (reception and integration) at their new duty station.

    Anyway, any questions; have at it. I been doing counsellings for years lol
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    Good info, Dibblejr. the 4856-R is a must for every NCO who has troops under him. It is definitely NOT designed to be soley a negative counselling form like you said.

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    WOW. That's good stuff. dibblerjr- I like you're style.Having convo's on both sides of the coin. I can tell you straight up! I like you're approach better. There's a difference between being smoked for breakfast and a conversation about job performance in public. I'll remember you're line.Criticize/ Repremand in private, Praise in public. Thank you! Sir, real good stuff. Very informative.TXS,.


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    Thanks- I was always in the trenches with my soldiers, thats the only way I would have it. My soldiers knew that if I asked them to do something it was something that I would do if I was available. It upset some of the leaders but oh-well.

    In my career I only recall one major problem with a subordinate and that was because he was married to my Senior Rater and I voiced my concerns with the JAG after she tried to order me to give her and her hubby my password to my computer. I was at Hood doing pre deploymet stuff when their arses were at Drum in a quichy little office. Multi-Componet Units should not exist- IMO.

    Needless to say that the soldier was transferred after I voiced my concerns. I was a SFC he was a SGT and walked out of an Incident Related Counselling and stright to her office. I ended up calling the MP's but that is too long of a story to tell.

    My other saying was "dont take my kindness as a weakness".
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    That's because you're good senior NCO, Dibs!

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    ^^ Thats what I strived for and at the end of just about every day I could tell myself I did the best I could given the situation and who/ what I had to work with.
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    Additional info -

    DA is for 'Department of the Army', so a DA Form is Army Specific. DD Forms are for the Department of Defense.

    The DA 4856, MAR 2006 is the Developmental Counseling form. Do not use older editions. Watch for this - there are still lots of older edition forms out there, and available on the Web.

    If you see a DA 4856-R, the 'R' means locally reproducible. I haven't seen any -R forms in a very long time, as the Army has gotten away with requiring units to order forms, and allows us to print them at need now

    And if you see a form marked -R-E, that means it is both reproducible and available electronically - again, not used anymore that I've seen, since all of our counseling forms are available in Pure Edge - and some (like OERs now, and NCOERs soon) are requires to be done electronically.

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    Pure Edge will soon be out the door and we will be going with a lotus notes version. Anyway, the reason why PureEdge was getting the axe is due to the new Vista Migration but I believe they found fixes for Pure Edge so perhaps it will remain around.
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    All true - but it's what we've got to work with now. More importantly, it's what we're required to use until a replacement comes along. My last XO wouldn't even accept a hand signed leave form - we had to electronically sign and e-mail them to even be considered.

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