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    Hi,
    I'm a new 2LT and will be running a range in a week and a half. I've been at training for the past four months and just got back and was told I would be running the M4 range. I have a good PSG who has ordered the ammo and has been around forever...very competent I'm sure with running a range. I however have never ran one before and don't want to look like an idiot. I'm aware of what needs to be done, designated positions (RSO, safeties, tower, ammo handlers etc). What I know nothing about is getting the ammo from...the ASP? I have an NCO who is certified and runs a lot of ammo hauling missions...I would just like to know more about this...and about after policiing up the brass when the range is cold ....I assume separating it and turning it back in. To where? I'm sure it's different according to SOP but would like to hear how it is generally done. I think we have to pick up the ammo one day prior and i'm guessing store it at the AHA. I will find this out tomorrow...but am just looking for more specific information on details so I don't look incompetent.
    I'd really appreacite it! Look up to all you soldiers who make us look good. I just want to do my best for my platoon!

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    Has your PSG & any other of your NCOs ever run a range before? If they did then just sit back & relax. Feel free to ask them what they're doing. Don't be bashful about that, Eltee. They expect that because they know you never ran one. They won't think any worse about you for it or think you're incompetent. The main job of a PSG is to train the new PL. If he's worth anything he'll want you to succeed. Meanwhile keep doing what you're doing - researching the mission. If you can find FMs & TMs as well as unit SOPs & ask questions of another more seasoned PL in your company you'll have an edge right there. Chances are one of them went through the same thing you're going through.

    I don't know for sure whether we have any 2LTs on this site that ran a range before but we have several. Papachop is the most active & a Moderator to boot. I'm sure he'll see this & give you answers to the best of his ability.

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    Hey man, just ran an M249 range a few weeks ago. I would have to respectfully disagree with Top, you don't get to sit back and relax. Running your first range can be intimidating, but not a terrible thing. Are you on the Army Platoon Leader forums? If so, I just put up a copy of my Range SOP for the platoon, as well as the Powerpoint briefing I briefed our BC with. Between the two, it pretty much spells out everything you'll have to do. While it's specific to my BN\CO, it'll definitely get you in the right direction.

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    It's under the Documents section.

    Also going to PM you my number, give me a call.
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    Thank you both for your replies. MSG Glenn, I actually joined this today because I was reading another thread from an ROTC cadet in 2011 who was running a range and you had a lot of good helpful tips for him. So I got a lot of information off of that post as well.
    Papa Chop, thank you too...i haven't heard of PlatoonLeader but just registered and am waiting to get in the site to look at your stuff, hopefully they accept my request soon. Thank you for your number, I leave tomorrow so we'll see how it goes.

    and it's Ma'am..thank you both for your help...I was hoping someone would reply back today!

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    I should have said "breathe a sigh of relief" rather than "sit back & relax" . Nobody in the Army, try as they might, never get a chance to do that.

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    A CW2 ran our last range (only God knows why). Let the boot LTs with no experience do it. Warrants got better things to do. It is a piece of cake. There is also range control and the ammo guys that help you out. Also, you can keep your dunnage locked at your ASP and turn it in later. I gave many hours of rifle and pistol PMI on the ranges and well as ammo control when I was a SSG. Get radio freqs, range flag, medical and gate guards if needed. Just stay up in the tower and have fun giving range commands.
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    The civilians running the ranges at Fort Sill give all the commands...
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    Interesting. Not at Carson. We did ours downrange but I seen some civilian contractors train soldiers. Ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by papachop View Post
    The civilians running the ranges at Fort Sill give all the commands...
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    The civilians running the ranges at Fort Sill give all the commands...
    Fuck that noise. If I'm responsible for the range why am I not the one giving or delegating the commands?

    The PLs heavy lifting is the planning. Range day you should be in "monitor and adjust" mode, as your ncos execute the plan. You never truly relax, but if you're jumping through your ass the day of, then your plan wasn't properly established.( or someone straight up fucked you)

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayFrosty View Post
    Fuck that noise. If I'm responsible for the range why am I not the one giving or delegating the commands?

    The PLs heavy lifting is the planning. Range day you should me in "monitor and adjust",as your ncos execute the plan. You never truly relax, but if you're jumping through your ass the day of, then your plan wasn't properly established.( or some straight up fucked you)
    Or you're in a Company of 37, with only 5 NCOs at the Range - 4 of whom had to be safeties.
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